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PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 12:23 pm 
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as there is no 'exam' for another year or so, talk of what consitutes a pass for Ratts is a tad premature

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 1:52 pm 
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I can guarantee you this though - while Carlton supporters are still venting their anger in multiple threads on multiple websites thinking their written words count for anything - the coaching staff and players are focused on the Swans and have been since last Sunday night.

I would hope there's a few communications officers monitoring us and bringing back some choice quotes to let the boys & staff know exactly what we think of their performance.

Granted a lot of it would be over the top, but it's a bit arrogant to not even glance at free advice.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 2:13 pm 
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free advice :razz:

exactly what it's worth jim

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 2:17 pm 
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We ALWAYS know more than they do............ :grin:

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 3:13 pm 
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Wild Blue Yonder wrote:
free advice :razz:

exactly what it's worth jim

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Even if it's just vitriol or superficial analysis, they need something to fire them up. I reckon a few of our boys have lost touch with the fans after years of Bronx cheers.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 3:20 pm 
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I often wonder where we'd be on the ladder if Dick Pratt was alive?

Would Fevola have been kicked out ?.....Richard liked him.

The players don't seem to be listening to Ratten or whoever.....there seems to be a lack of fire....and system.

Would Dick Pratt put up with the standard of footy we're putting on the ground?.....I don't think so.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 8:35 pm 
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Dr.SHERRIN wrote:
The only thing unprofessional about the process last time was the selection panel. It should have been impartial. It wasn't. Everything else was the same as always... Interviews, shortlisting, presentations, selection.

If we bottom out - as many so-called supporters on here want us to do - and miss the finals...then I'd suggest the club will have a review. Kernahan will step aside as President shortly after Christmas and Ruffy Germinder will take over. The review will ascertain what steps need to be taken and will probably recommend that Ratten remain coach for season 2011. A senior mentor to Ratten may be appointed at the expense of two of our current assistants. That's just my take.

Your wish for another coach might not yield you the results you want. There's no guaranteed fix. I'd like the boys to play like they did against Geelong and St.Kilda every week as well - but that's just not happening and no matter what an outsider THINKS the problem is - only those with an internal knowledge of what happens on the inside can give you any answers.

I can guarantee you this though - while Carlton supporters are still venting their anger in multiple threads on multiple websites thinking their written words count for anything - the coaching staff and players are focused on the Swans and have been since last Sunday night.


Nice...sounds like it was written by a press secretary.... :grin:

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 6:57 am 
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http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/k ... 10coj.html

This great Geelong team played 184 games under Mark Thompson before it won a flag. Rodney Eade has no premierships after 285 games at Sydney and Western Bulldogs. Paul Roos has one after 193 at Sydney, and John Worsfold is one for 203 at West Coast. Mark Williams was one for 274 at Port Adelaide. Premierships are just so hard to get.

I heard a Carlton supporter ring talkback radio on Monday night and demand Ratten be sacked and replaced by Mick Malthouse next year. Malthouse is none for 250 with the well-resourced Magpies.


This doesn't mean to say we weren't pitiful last week or that we haven't been below average for a month, but it does put some things in perspective.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 7:05 am 
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What could serve Ratten and Knights well during difficult times would be to be more open with their plans and philosophies for their teams. It's important to share the journey with supporters. Let them feel as if they are included in the trip towards the next premiership.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 10:50 am 
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yep that thing stuck in my mind too BV.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 12:28 pm 
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dannyboy wrote:
yep that thing stuck in my mind too BV.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 2:03 pm 
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I am happy to wait 184 games to win a premiership if I believed that the game plan, match day coaching, intensity were present along the journey. Sadly, these elements of premiership football appear to be missing. Walls translated the Fevola trade into evidence of good coaching. His arguement ignored: the mclean trade, the lack of competent assitants, that malthouse/eade have pushed top 4 for most of their careers & that Clarkson won a premiership in 4 years. How I wish Walls had the Clubs ear to at very least surround Ratten with experienced assistants


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 2:15 pm 
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Ppl's views can change over time.

What I thought pre season 2010 doesn't necessarily have to be the same I think mid way through it

We turned out to be a lot better than we thought, at least after R9, where many of us expected the worse but were pleasantly surprised

But what I and most fans I suspect want to see if a fair dinkum go. Surely they can't have run out of legs just after mid year? This is what disappoints from the last 4 weeks, and the coach must take some heat for being unable to get the lads up of late.

Will we re-find some touch and enter the finals with some energy, or fade into the oblivion in the latter half of 2010??

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 2:44 pm 
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Michael Jezz wrote:
I am happy to wait 184 games to win a premiership if I believed that the game plan, match day coaching, intensity were present along the journey. Sadly, these elements of premiership football appear to be missing. Walls translated the Fevola trade into evidence of good coaching. His arguement ignored: the mclean trade, the lack of competent assitants, that malthouse/eade have pushed top 4 for most of their careers & that Clarkson won a premiership in 4 years. How I wish Walls had the Clubs ear to at very least surround Ratten with experienced assistants


Does all that changes if we do win a flag within say, the next 4 years?

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 3:01 pm 
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Danny, ask yourself honestly- can you see the template for a Premiership assault with our current off- field set up (Match Committee, Assistant coaches) within the next four years?

As I posted at around this time last year- the bar we should be measured by as a football club is whether we have the best group of coaches available to lead us to our 17th flag. Do we have the best board assembled to lead us to our 17th flag? Do we have the best off- field staff to lead us to our 17th flag?

We are, on so many levels, in the middle band on all of these factors. The competition is only going to get tougher, and while we have made some progress, the problem is other clubs are progressing much quicker.


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Cazzesman wrote:
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/knights-ratten-deserve-a-break--voss-in-more-strife-20100715-10coj.html

This great Geelong team played 184 games under Mark Thompson before it won a flag. Rodney Eade has no premierships after 285 games at Sydney and Western Bulldogs. Paul Roos has one after 193 at Sydney, and John Worsfold is one for 203 at West Coast. Mark Williams was one for 274 at Port Adelaide. Premierships are just so hard to get.

I heard a Carlton supporter ring talkback radio on Monday night and demand Ratten be sacked and replaced by Mick Malthouse next year. Malthouse is none for 250 with the well-resourced Magpies.


This doesn't mean to say we weren't pitiful last week or that we haven't been below average for a month, but it does put some things in perspective.

Regards Cazzesman



Great post Cazz............ :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 3:47 pm 
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""Knights; Ratten deserve a break"'............by Robert Walls?.......it doesn't say who wrote it; but he's a 60's CFC player.



http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/k ... 10coj.html

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Cazzesman wrote:
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/knights-ratten-deserve-a-break--voss-in-more-strife-20100715-10coj.html

This great Geelong team played 184 games under Mark Thompson before it won a flag. Rodney Eade has no premierships after 285 games at Sydney and Western Bulldogs. Paul Roos has one after 193 at Sydney, and John Worsfold is one for 203 at West Coast. Mark Williams was one for 274 at Port Adelaide. Premierships are just so hard to get.

I heard a Carlton supporter ring talkback radio on Monday night and demand Ratten be sacked and replaced by Mick Malthouse next year. Malthouse is none for 250 with the well-resourced Magpies.


This doesn't mean to say we weren't pitiful last week or that we haven't been below average for a month, but it does put some things in perspective.

Regards Cazzesman


I am not talking about ratten here but coaches in general.
Every underperforming coach is using Bomber Thompson as an example of a coach that was rewarded after being shown patience. Knights does it himself. The thing is that Thompson is the exception. Any other coach that didn't win a flag in his first 5 years at the club, doesnt end up winning one. I know someone will find one that did but it's a good general rule.

choco may have been another :grin:

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 4:30 pm 
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So by that theory are you suggesting every club should change Coaches every 5 years if they don't win the Cup?

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 5:29 pm 
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Cazzesman wrote:
So by that theory are you suggesting every club should change Coaches every 5 years if they don't win the Cup?

Regards Cazzesman


You'd hope there would be some very strong and clear cut reasons why the coach would be retained beyond those five years...

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