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 Post subject: Re: No need to be Blue
PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 4:55 pm 
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Stephen Kernahan

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jimmae wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
2 reasons, turnovers and a lack of forward structure.
Firstly, once a team wins the ball, you want your players to spread and create running options. If you give it back to the opposition, there's little opportunity for accountability on the way back.
Secondly, if you allow the opposition to run the ball out of your forwardline unimpeded, you're mids are sitting ducks. Either they are drawn to the exiting backmen which allows their opponents to recieve the easy ball down field or the're caught in a 2 on 1 situation which inevitably results in a free opposition player. AFL players are trained to utilise a numbers advantage more than any other skill.
It's no conincidence that when our forward line supplies effective defensive pressure, we often win the game.

Got to disagree on the second point to an extent BV, I would argue it's how we structure in midfield that creates the perception of a lack of forward pressure. The more a player is forced to run and carry, the more their options will dry up, and the greater chance there is for a player to run them down.

Yes if you're in the vicinity, you need to chase, harass, and be involved in 50/50 contests, and they do regardless, but if they're in space, you're going to be busting a nut for little gain if the boys up the field aren't covering the options.


Thanks Jim.
I've got no idea what you're talking about.

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 Post subject: Re: No need to be Blue
PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 5:17 pm 
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Just on that, Setanta, Yarran, Houlihan, Henderson, Robinson and Betts had a total of 5 tackles between them for 4 quarters.
The Bulldogs had 53 tackles for the game including 7 to Shaun Higgins.
Jeff Garlett was the only forward who had more than 2 tackles.

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 Post subject: Re: No need to be Blue
PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 5:57 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
jimmae wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
2 reasons, turnovers and a lack of forward structure.
Firstly, once a team wins the ball, you want your players to spread and create running options. If you give it back to the opposition, there's little opportunity for accountability on the way back.
Secondly, if you allow the opposition to run the ball out of your forwardline unimpeded, you're mids are sitting ducks. Either they are drawn to the exiting backmen which allows their opponents to recieve the easy ball down field or the're caught in a 2 on 1 situation which inevitably results in a free opposition player. AFL players are trained to utilise a numbers advantage more than any other skill.
It's no conincidence that when our forward line supplies effective defensive pressure, we often win the game.

Got to disagree on the second point to an extent BV, I would argue it's how we structure in midfield that creates the perception of a lack of forward pressure. The more a player is forced to run and carry, the more their options will dry up, and the greater chance there is for a player to run them down.

Yes if you're in the vicinity, you need to chase, harass, and be involved in 50/50 contests, and they do regardless, but if they're in space, you're going to be busting a nut for little gain if the boys up the field aren't covering the options.


Thanks Jim.
I've got no idea what you're talking about.

Shorter version then? :P

The longer you're forced to hold onto the ball, even if you're on the move, the more likely you're going to get run down by an opponent. I'm of the belief that closing up the next option is of greater importance to this than the work rate of the forwards when they don't have the ball.

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 Post subject: Re: No need to be Blue
PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 6:09 pm 
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I reckon there is a case the coach has lost the players - getting belted like that isn't a good sign.


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 Post subject: Re: No need to be Blue
PostPosted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 7:49 am 
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We're first for scoring accuracy..?

Damn, id hate to see the other 15 teams in front of goal then :razz:


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 Post subject: Re: No need to be Blue
PostPosted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 10:48 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Just on that, Setanta, Yarran, Houlihan, Henderson, Robinson and Betts had a total of 5 tackles between them for 4 quarters.
The Bulldogs had 53 tackles for the game including 7 to Shaun Higgins.
Jeff Garlett was the only forward who had more than 2 tackles.


What chance have you got of winning with that tackle count..we can't even get the basics done right


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 Post subject: Re: No need to be Blue
PostPosted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 1:58 pm 
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blue4 wrote:
I reckon there is a case the coach has lost the players - getting belted like that isn't a good sign.



I reckon there is a case that whatever I believe I will perceive to be true in events that occur

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 Post subject: Re: No need to be Blue
PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 8:21 pm 
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i agree with the poster earlier
apart from our dark years - which i thought were behind us
we shud be pushing top and be a finals threat every year from now on
its the carlton way

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