No overreaction, says Judd

aido · **Joined:** Mon Jan 04, 2010 2:02 pm **Posts:** 184

club29 wrote:

Game was a lot more open back in 2002-2006. I think any player that played then and is playing now would currently have a lower percentage.

Having said that his kicking is off this year and late last year too.

I would have thought back then was when flooding was at its peak.

His disposal is down no doubt. Im sure it has something to do with not having his mates Cousins, Kerr and Fletcher by his side.

But its no excuse for when he does have the ball on the run and continually misses targets just like his team mates do.

His poor disposal is a reflection on where the side is at and even the great man himself is down on confidence.

bosman · **Posted:** Tue Jul 13, 2010 12:37 pm

dannyboy wrote:

Our problem is that the opposition know that when Judd's man gets free no one will make it their task to help Judd out,

catch22 hey danny.

Every player is accountable for their own opponent, as soon as somebody fails to stay with their man then it creates a spare man to link and run. The amount of dogs streaming through the midfield on Sunday unopposed was shocking, pinpoint delivery into the forward line results, hence the good goal conversion from the dogs.
You can't expect somebody else to leave their man in the middle to pick up Judd's man. Isn't that what we call downhill skiing.

If Judd won't defend and expect somebody else to then he as captain is not leading by example, it goes back to the lazy days of campo, kouta and stevens.

By the way, I'm very aware of all the other things Judd does but you can't always attack, you have to defend as well.

cimm1979 · **Posted:** Tue Jul 13, 2010 12:48 pm

bosman wrote:

dannyboy wrote:

Our problem is that the opposition know that when Judd's man gets free no one will make it their task to help Judd out,

catch22 hey danny.

Every player is accountable for their own opponent, as soon as somebody fails to stay with their man then it creates a spare man to link and run. The amount of dogs streaming through the midfield on Sunday unopposed was shocking, pinpoint delivery into the forward line results, hence the good goal conversion from the dogs.
You can't expect somebody else to leave their man in the middle to pick up Judd's man. Isn't that what we call downhill skiing.

If Judd won't defend and expect somebody else to then he as captain is not leading by example, it goes back to the lazy days of campo, kouta and stevens.

By the way, I'm very aware of all the other things Judd does but you can't always attack, you have to defend as well.

Sound like a quote taken from Matty Lloyds "Lets snipe at Carltons biggest asset and eventually their supporters will start saying it also" handbook.

Don't see any difference between Judd and Abletts accountability. Ablett gets away with it because he has hard bodies like Bartel, Selwood and Kelly to back him up. Our guys are not anywhere near as robust.

Next to Judd our toughest and hardest working mid is Kade Simpson!!! and I don't mean that as an insult, just that the guy is seriously skinny but still puts himself in harms way. A few more should do likewise.

We had the option of finding good tough players, but we traded our pick 11 for Brock McSlowandinjured.

camel · **Posted:** Tue Jul 13, 2010 12:59 pm

dannyboy wrote:

yes sometimes he could chase but you would not want him chasing like garlett cos then he'd have no energy left for the grunt work and the burst free work. Our problem is that the opposition know that when Judd's man gets free no one will make it their task to help Judd out, Watch Geelong, St Kilda, Collingwood - watch how Ablett's man is often covered by another player. We are shit at the team stuff.

Zing.

club29 · **Posted:** Tue Jul 13, 2010 1:05 pm

aido wrote:

club29 wrote:

Game was a lot more open back in 2002-2006. I think any player that played then and is playing now would currently have a lower percentage.

Having said that his kicking is off this year and late last year too.

I would have thought back then was when flooding was at its peak.

His disposal is down no doubt. Im sure it has something to do with not having his mates Cousins, Kerr and Fletcher by his side.

But its no excuse for when he does have the ball on the run and continually misses targets just like his team mates do.

His poor disposal is a reflection on where the side is at and even the great man himself is down on confidence.

Flooding was more back in the back fifty back then. A tactic that wouldnt have too much of an effect on Judd, Kerr and Cuz. These days they flood all parts of the ground and the game is tighter and more congested.

I agree his kicking is down and it is a reflection on the whole teams form.

Some have suggested his running gait has changed to protect his groin and that has something to do with his kicking not being good at high speed.

As a team the Blues are just going to have to work hard to turn this all around. It is possible. Form turn arounds by teams have been common theis year.

bosman · **Posted:** Tue Jul 13, 2010 1:13 pm

cimm1979 wrote:

bosman wrote:

dannyboy wrote:

Our problem is that the opposition know that when Judd's man gets free no one will make it their task to help Judd out,

catch22 hey danny.

Every player is accountable for their own opponent, as soon as somebody fails to stay with their man then it creates a spare man to link and run. The amount of dogs streaming through the midfield on Sunday unopposed was shocking, pinpoint delivery into the forward line results, hence the good goal conversion from the dogs.
You can't expect somebody else to leave their man in the middle to pick up Judd's man. Isn't that what we call downhill skiing.

If Judd won't defend and expect somebody else to then he as captain is not leading by example, it goes back to the lazy days of campo, kouta and stevens.

By the way, I'm very aware of all the other things Judd does but you can't always attack, you have to defend as well.

Sound like a quote taken from Matty Lloyds "Lets snipe at Carltons biggest asset and eventually their supporters will start saying it also" handbook.

Don't see any difference between Judd and Abletts accountability. Ablett gets away with it because he has hard bodies like Bartel, Selwood and Kelly to back him up. Our guys are not anywhere near as robust.

Next to Judd our toughest and hardest working mid is Kade Simpson!!! and I don't mean that as an insult, just that the guy is seriously skinny but still puts himself in harms way. A few more should do likewise.

We had the option of finding good tough players, but we traded our pick 11 for Brock McSlowandinjured.

Nothing to do with lloyd, no one listens to him anyway.
You don't need hard bodies around you to chase you own opponent.

cimm1979 · **Posted:** Tue Jul 13, 2010 1:30 pm

Nobody listens to Matty Lloyd???. He and James Hird were the main spruikers for the "unaccountable midfield theory" that started last year. Seems to me they started it to get themselves up for The Bummers V Carlton games, the theory got in the press and has been repeated ad nauseum so much so that people just say it whether it's true or not. Directed at Judd to take the gloss off our champ, in much the same way they keep ragging on SOS so Fletcher is suddenly considered a better player. Wake up, you've been sold a pup, whilst we have some that could do more defensively, you are playing right into their hands when you suggest Judds not pulling his weight.

Judds issue is, apart from doing all the heavy lifting, I see him in game afetr game providing options when others seem reluctant to do so. He has to run into to dead zones to receive a ball from a player who either can't find someone to kick to (because their hiding) or they don't have the confidence to kick it to someone else in case they stuff it up.

You are right, but I've got a problem with, not only do we use the best player we've had at the club in a decade as a battering ram, lets make him a tagger as well.

He's a ball getter, whats the rest of the guys doing?

dannyboy · **Posted:** Tue Jul 13, 2010 1:44 pm

Watch a ball up.

Judd gets it, Judd gets tackled by four men

or

Judd gets blocked/held etc

Judd's man gets the free run.

bosman · **Posted:** Tue Jul 13, 2010 1:56 pm

cimm, so your saying good players don't need to be accountable for their opponent and they don't need to have a defensive side to their game because they don't need to, somebody else can do it. So they become a team player with the ball but when the the other team has it, f-it, I'm too good to pick up a man. That crap doesn't happen at any other club.
So its in the dying minutes of a game, and were a point down the the opposition is playing keeping's off to waste time, so Judd doesn't need to pick up a man in your eyes, because he is not a tagger, he doesn't need to stand a man.
So when the opposition get the ball, Judd and co might as well start walking back to the center circle and wait for the umpires to bring the ball back for the next bounce.

The "unaccountable midfield theory" has been around for a long time - Wallace, Brereton to name a few.
Hird just made reference to the fab4.

BigBlueWave · **Joined:** Mon Sep 19, 2005 12:45 pm **Posts:** 3087

ok ... lets drop Judd .... lol

:screwy:

bosman · **Posted:** Tue Jul 13, 2010 2:13 pm

BlueRob wrote:

ok ... lets drop Judd .... lol

:screwy:

we pay him over a million dollars a year not to chase... :roll:

and people think he doesn't have too because he is Judd... :thanks:

fraser murphy · **Joined:** Sun Jun 21, 2009 5:04 pm **Posts:** 1685

HELLAS BLUE wrote:

fraser murphy wrote:

In saying that I'm not heaping the blame for Sunday's loss on Judd's massive shoulders.

There's a cryptic message in all of that!!

Care to help us out there Hellas?

lucablue · **Joined:** Tue Mar 01, 2005 8:23 pm **Posts:** 915

bosman wrote:

lucablue wrote:

No footballer in the AFL is perfect. Does Judds' positives outweigh his negatives???

BY A FREAKING MILE!!!!

Move on Bosman & Fraser Murphy........

so if we had a 100 goal year full forward who never chased his opponent out of the backline and allowed his opponent to link to create the loose man and the other team always scored a goal from it, in your eyes that is OK because the positives outweigh his negatives because our FF scored 100goals the they only ever got 80 goals running off him, thats OK, its a positive result...

Judd is currently the clubs highest rated for average:

- tackles per game
- cont possessions per game
- clearances per game
- inside 50s per game
- disposals per game

So some of you observe that he's not always running flat chat after his opponent when they have the ball. F*ck me, some people are never happy......Bosman, you do know that he's not really Jesus Christ - get a new avatar!!!!

Agro jr · **Joined:** Sat May 19, 2007 3:04 pm **Posts:** 1007

Dont want an over reaction - but I wouldnt mind some sort of REACTION against Sydney this week.

WA Blue · **Posted:** Tue Jul 13, 2010 8:21 pm

When it's all said and done the real test of the club will be how it responds against the Swans and the rounds that follow.

Lets hope they do otherwise TC could meltdown.... and I might aswell.

bondiblue · **Posted:** Tue Jul 13, 2010 9:58 pm

I agree with Judd.

No time for overreaction.

Forget the last monthe ever happened.
We have the players to be a good side.
We must regroup. Must!

I reckon we will. We have to!

We're good enough.
Harden the @#$%&! up!

club29 · **Posted:** Tue Jul 13, 2010 10:10 pm

bondiblue wrote:

I agree with Judd.

No time for overreaction.

Forget the last monthe ever happened.
We have the players to be a good side.
We must regroup. Must!

I reckon we will. We have to!

We're good enough.
Harden the !@#$%& up!

Exactly ! Unite as one. Get back to the basics. Start with the little things and work up. Dont look any further ahead than the next contested ball.

It will come back.

Go Blues !

cimm1979 · **Posted:** Tue Jul 13, 2010 10:12 pm

bosman wrote:

BlueRob wrote:

ok ... lets drop Judd .... lol

:screwy:

we pay him over a million dollars a year not to chase... :roll:

and people think he doesn't have too because he is Judd... :thanks:

Written and Authorised by by M. Lloyd of the Essendon* Football Club.

bosman · **Posted:** Tue Jul 13, 2010 10:54 pm

cimm1979 wrote:

bosman wrote:

BlueRob wrote:

ok ... lets drop Judd .... lol

:screwy:

we pay him over a million dollars a year not to chase... :roll:

and people think he doesn't have too because he is Judd... :thanks:

Written and Authorised by by M. Lloyd of the Essendon* Football Club.

Overseen by his lover James Hird

bosman · **Posted:** Tue Jul 13, 2010 11:00 pm

lucablue wrote:

bosman wrote:

lucablue wrote:

No footballer in the AFL is perfect. Does Judds' positives outweigh his negatives???

BY A FREAKING MILE!!!!

Move on Bosman & Fraser Murphy........

so if we had a 100 goal year full forward who never chased his opponent out of the backline and allowed his opponent to link to create the loose man and the other team always scored a goal from it, in your eyes that is OK because the positives outweigh his negatives because our FF scored 100goals the they only ever got 80 goals running off him, thats OK, its a positive result...

Judd is currently the clubs highest rated for average:

- tackles per game
- cont possessions per game
- clearances per game
- inside 50s per game
- disposals per game

So some of you observe that he's not always running flat chat after his opponent when they have the ball. F*ck me, some people are never happy......Bosman, you do know that he's not really Jesus Christ - get a new avatar!!!!

But he doesn't have to man up or chase according to you......but that is OK...

Hey, I know Judd is not Jesus Christ, the real Jesus Christ made the ultimate sacrifice.....

No overreaction, says Judd

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