We've just gone and re-signed our biggest trade bait, too.

You know, it's pointless putting the 'burden of proof' on those that will never be any good. We are like a cross between the Kangaroos and the Saints only with far less guts. We are in danger of becoming what is ultimately worse than hopeless - we will become irrelevant. At least when you are utterly hopeless you are always in a position to acknowledge it and attempt to improve. We either get a better coach, steal Pavlich and have a go, or we acknowledge were we are at, play it tough, and build a better, more versatile list for about four years down the track because we aren't really getting anywhere quick enough.

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Just because I'm offended, doesn't mean I'm wrong.

We have three inside mids in the squad and we go into a game against a side that has one of the best midfields in the comp without any of them two are running around in the ants and one is injured
we bring in a defender to replace a mid and move our best forward option to defence because the 4 falls we have down there can't do the job
we continue to select the lab rat despite not showing anything for 6 or 7 weeks
surely that experiment is done and dusted

apart from that Waite Maclean and kruezer missing doesn't help

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Surely he isn't gonna take em down the pub again

Nope, nobody has the perfect list. We have seen how good we are when we try and get the tactics right. Something is wrong and someone in charge has to fix this.

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TC suffers from the social media illness - the death of respect and constructive discourse by keyboard.

That performance was pretty much in line with what we have dished up for the past month and a bid.

Supporters thinking we were "flying under the radar" have egg on their faces.

We don't have a top 4 list.....potential is worth little until it is delivered on.

Well, the truth is halfway in-between. Our list is not good enough to mix it with the very best on a consistent basis (to think that we have is more dangerous than the alternative) and, yes we do have a problem.

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Just because I'm offended, doesn't mean I'm wrong.

We needed this loss.... It might just put things into perspective....
This year we were never going forward once we rid ourselves of Fev....
What irratates me most is that the club is pissing in our pockets trying to make us believe we are better than what we actually are, and that we have worked out a strategy/game plan to cover the void left by Fev. We haven't.

To the CFC stop pissing in my pocket. I for one don't believe or accept that the club has worked anything out (YET). I'm sure we will,but the reality is we haven't, and missing Waite further highlights this fact.

Its ok though because unlike many i didn't and don't expect us to finish Top 4 this year. I expect us to finish in the 8, and we will.....

But come 2011 my beloved CFC i'll put you on notice now .... I expect Top 4 and i expect that our issues going forward and our issues of accountabilty are addressed and performances like today are a thing of the past.

So for now please stop with the bullshit and talk of Top 4 .Lets just get the process right get our structures right.... Blah blah blah.....

Its over now.... We win next week...

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I wrote before this game that we're lacking in ferocity.....by golly.....there were a few Carlton players today who took short steps, and pulled up as though shot rather than attacking the man with the ball.

It was almost as though the players had backed the Bulldogs to win.......it was that bad......kicking to the opposition repeatedly......telegraphing handpasses that were then intercepted......passes to the feet of team mates that were turned over......trying to outmark each other resulting in Henderson being hurt.....etc etc......embarrassing.

Why can't our players grip the ball when they actually (nearly) mark the ball?......can't Kernahan impart some knowledge there?

How many times did the ball rebound out of our goalsquare; and there wasn't a small Carlton forward to be seen?

So many questions.....so much frustration for a lover of the CFC.

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I wonder how many tipped us this week.

Yes we have had the wood on them in the past, but Fevola has the wood on them, not Carlton. He turned the game to the Lions' favour in round 4 in the space of 15 minutes.

I just heard on the radio we had 12 tackles in the second half.

Not a good look.

Now we are at rock bottom. We are no longer skirting around the edges. We have to dig deep and work like crazy men to turn our form around. THe Dogs, Hawks, Crows and Tigers have all turned around terrible form. Now its our turn but the team really has to want it.
Those that dont should be left behind.

well, with the best finger-pointer in the business in thornton (wasn't that a pathetic spoil to clean up army) and walker - better he direct his aggression at the ball rether than shirtfronting a player not looking, then having the gall to give carazzo a dressing down at half time says it all.

just outcoached again - too many blokes in the box not earning their keep - and who decided to let the doggies out on their own all night?

will be lucky to win another game and if you want to see what commitment and a coach getting the best out of his players, look no further that the tigers last night. too many prima-donnas

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Well that was a pleasant early Sunday evening wasnt it ?

Where is the passion ?
Where is the pride ?

Where does one start to descibe an abysmal piss poor almost soul less like performance ?

I just wonder how many of those 22 today in the room after the game look around
at their team mates and say i gave it my absolute all out there ?

Soul destroying for the whole club today i reckon.

Not sure if we need a new coach but i am absolutely convinced they should get Australia's
best sports psych down to the club........... AND FAST !!!!

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We have an inexperienced coaching group. Ratts got the job with laughably minimal experience. I don't think there's anyone who thinks he would have got the job if he hadn't been an ex Carlton great. Nice guy but seems to think footy is a mathematical formula decided by stats. How about getting the players....all the players ....to play with ferocity. How about forgetting about a game plan that seems like it was devised by Stephen Hawking and get some intensity. Isn't it the coaches job to get the team playing to their peak? What is Lappo's experience again? Ah yes, we wanted him to retire so we gave him a coaching job.

Ratts won't coach a premiership. Whoever takes over form him for 2012 will then take several years and our list has holes which can't be filled with the picks we have had.

We have little leadership, the players look confused and unsure. We are a rabble. As someone else said, look how HArdwick has his hacks playing. Look what Ross Lyin is doing with 6 stars and 16 journeymen.

We should still make the 8. The Bulldogs and the Hawks will be quaking at the thought of facing us in the first final.

PS Wasn't Sticks just a caretaker pres? When is he going to stand aside for someone who isn't mates with the footy dept?

We have miles to go off and on the field, and with all the great picks we had we haven't built a premiership side.

Ratten has an extremely unhealthy reliance on statistics.
On radio pre game quoting Champion Data stats. He does it all the time.
I haven't heard any other coaches doing this. Next he'll be refering to supercoach points.

We play like a dumb team....i think thats a reflection (poor) on the coach.

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I'm tipping I could've gone to any player after the game and told them I slept with there girlfriend (nice way of putting it) and any player would have responsed by saying oh really, next time you come around let me know and I'll leave for a few hours.

I can deal with loses, but that was outright pathetic. To cap it off we have taken the gloss of another Essendon* loss.

Ah, really?

Ratten has to go along with Sticks

How long can we as supporters put up with this shit

Both are way out of their depth yet we have just extended his contract

Player development is shit

Rather than focus on the obvious like Hampson or Carlos have a look at Carrazzo

Won a Band F in 2007 admittedly in a shit side but he was awesome in close that year. Great at holding his feet and dishing off handballs.

So what does Ratten do
turns him into a tagger
he seems to be lighter than what he was in 07
his kicking skills havent improved
sure he has done a good job in some games
but is that where he is best used
no
He should be playing like Boyd is but is too busy tagging blokes and getting cheap kicks
His confidence is not what it was partly because of what the coach has created
and Ratten and Sticks are mates

Ratten is simply not smart enough to coach


Today i left in time on of the third quarter

The players were pathetic. It was embarrasing. Many were as weak as piss
Judd
Armfield
exceptions

They ought to be ashamed of themselves

But the buck stops with the coach.
Something has been wrong for a long time
He has to go.

Can anyone here tell me what @#$%&! move Ratten made apart from dropping Henderson (WTF was that btw) behind the ball???

Did he try anything??? If he did i missed it......someone enlighten me? Pls?

Walker forward on Lake?

Gibbs forward?

Irish back on Hall? Thornton forward?

Richmond will beat us

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#GUILTY

I disagree re Carazzo. THe only spot in our team for him is a tagger. If he no good at that in my opinion he shouldnt play for us.