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PostPosted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 12:40 pm 
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Fishers strength is contested marking, so what does he offer against Brian Lake who is about the best contested mark going around? Surely you want someone who can run around on Lake? Also Setanta was average last week but the questions are, what were his instructions? He seems to spend a lot of time in the square calling for it high, which I think is crazy but if they are not his instructions why isn't he dragged? Also most people seem to think that anyone can play fullforward ag the oppos best defender. I like Hammo but he is a ruckman. He looked to have even less idea about contetsed marking than Setanta and he is very awkward below his knees and his ball handling is terrible. If he is forward he needs to use his pace to lead. TBird has kicked 8 goals in 160 games, hardly suggests he is a switchman.

I hope the instructions to Setanta are to lead and lead again. I like Fish, but bringing in a slow marking forward ag Brian lake is a bad idea. You need to run Lake around. He is hardly ever beaten in marking contests.

Also time for Gibbs to step up. Play him in the middle and let him show why he is a #1 draft pick. He needs to look at the way Joel Selwood goes about it, look at Cooney who won a Brownlow at teh same time in his career as Gibbs. His coach needs to stop using him as the world's most expensive tagger and let him go in the middle and beat a tagger rather than be a tagger.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 12:48 pm 
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I would play Setanta and tell him to take Lake way out near the boundary line and leave the forward line open. Don't worry if he does not get a kick ... just keep Lake (assuming thats the match up) out of it.



problem is Lake will sit back and let Setanta run out to the boundary all day. He will be more than happy to take the risk of setanta getting it near the boundary line and either trying to centre and Lake takes a defensive grab or having a shot at goal and invariably missing. How many do reckon Irish can kick from the boundary line? He is a 50/50 proposition from directly in front.

I would almost look to try something completely left field and play a defender on Lake. Maybe T-Bird gets a go. Our 'get-out' kick to a contest centres 100% on bringing the ball to ground and stopping Lake from marking it. Lake eats it up cos forwards naturally try to outmark him. Why not play someone with the instruction to not even try to mark, merely spoil Lake on every occasion. Get the mosquitos buzzing around the contest and take our chances at ground level rather than in the air.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 1:05 pm 
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Hammer could out reach lake and bring the ball to ground all day...

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 1:09 pm 
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Match up well against the Doggies.

They don't play that pressure game used by other (Kangas, Hawks) to unsettle us, closer to the Blues in style and I think we're better at it.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 1:12 pm 
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BlueRob wrote:
I would play Setanta and tell him to take Lake way out near the boundary line and leave the forward line open. Don't worry if he does not get a kick ... just keep Lake (assuming thats the match up) out of it.



problem is Lake will sit back and let Setanta run out to the boundary all day. He will be more than happy to take the risk of setanta getting it near the boundary line and either trying to centre and Lake takes a defensive grab or having a shot at goal and invariably missing. How many do reckon Irish can kick from the boundary line? He is a 50/50 proposition from directly in front.

I would almost look to try something completely left field and play a defender on Lake. Maybe T-Bird gets a go. Our 'get-out' kick to a contest centres 100% on bringing the ball to ground and stopping Lake from marking it. Lake eats it up cos forwards naturally try to outmark him. Why not play someone with the instruction to not even try to mark, merely spoil Lake on every occasion. Get the mosquitos buzzing around the contest and take our chances at ground level rather than in the air.


Brilliant idea...but not Thornton....
why not try Houla?
He is smart enough to do the job.
Stick him at FF...let Hendo and Santy be the running talls...with amigos crumbing....could work beautifully.
As for Fish...isn't he similar to Hendo in many ways?
I'd rather we persist with the kid if that's the case.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 1:14 pm 
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gerry atric wrote:
Fishers strength is contested marking, so what does he offer against Brian Lake who is about the best contested mark going around? Surely you want someone who can run around on Lake? Also Setanta was average last week but the questions are, what were his instructions? He seems to spend a lot of time in the square calling for it high, which I think is crazy but if they are not his instructions why isn't he dragged? Also most people seem to think that anyone can play fullforward ag the oppos best defender. I like Hammo but he is a ruckman. He looked to have even less idea about contetsed marking than Setanta and he is very awkward below his knees and his ball handling is terrible. If he is forward he needs to use his pace to lead. TBird has kicked 8 goals in 160 games, hardly suggests he is a switchman.

I hope the instructions to Setanta are to lead and lead again. I like Fish, but bringing in a slow marking forward ag Brian lake is a bad idea. You need to run Lake around. He is hardly ever beaten in marking contests.

Also time for Gibbs to step up. Play him in the middle and let him show why he is a #1 draft pick. He needs to look at the way Joel Selwood goes about it, look at Cooney who won a Brownlow at teh same time in his career as Gibbs. His coach needs to stop using him as the world's most expensive tagger and let him go in the middle and beat a tagger rather than be a tagger.


Surely Gibbs is just following the instructions he's been given?
It would be great though,to see him in the role you are suggesting...
Can't wait til that happens. :smile:

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 1:22 pm 
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Dogs have been blasted in the media. We're without 3 of our best (Waite, Kruez, Bower). Not a good recipe.

I do like the idea of playing a negating forward on Lake, and Hoops fits the bill nicely. Lake would destroy Setanta and be very creative too.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 1:24 pm 
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We should try and play Betts on Lake.. Lake is a great mark, kick and ect. But he is also slow and has a small engine.. Run him around all day and exploit this weakness.. On the other hand who will be playing on the smalls? Either way I think we can exploit their back line with pace with Happily we have LOOOOTS of up front.. and Setanta making sure Lake isn't marking.

Hoops I don't know his role..?

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 1:36 pm 
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Juzzy wrote:
We should try and play Betts on Lake.. Lake is a great mark, kick and ect. But he is also slow and has a small engine.. Run him around all day and exploit this weakness.. On the other hand who will be playing on the smalls? Either way I think we can exploit their back line with pace with Happily we have LOOOOTS of up front.. and Setanta making sure Lake isn't marking.

Hoops I don't know his role..?


Houlas will play as a defensive forward on either Glibee or Murphy.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 2:09 pm 
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I like Lake on Betts and it's very likely to happen. Best defender v the best forward.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 2:10 pm 
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..Lake's one main weakness is his decision making.. ..keep him under constant pressure and he'll turn it over.. ..can't let him run it out..

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 2:13 pm 
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I like Lake on Betts and it's very likely to happen. Best defender v the best forward.


..not likely i think.. ..Lake isn't fast/nimble enough to play on Betts..

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 2:53 pm 
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They'll play Harbrow on Edward Robert- need Edward Robert to be on his game as Harbrow provides a lot of drive.
I reckon Hoops will get Murphy and Setant should get Lake but play him solely out of the goalsquare.
Might put Joseph on Gilbee and Carazzo on Cooney. Our mids need to be on their game and, as good as Judd is inside, he will have his hats full against Boyd and Cross.. Grigg needs a big game in that role.

Also surely Gibbs has to play this week in the middle.. I reckon Ratts will be tempted to run Gibbs with Griffen but if he plays in a purely defensive role we won't win. Their midfield will be way too aggressive and we need to use our best ball users in the most attacking positions v the Dogs.

I think we spread just as well as the Dogs do from stoppages (Simpson, Murph, Yarran, Scotland). Will be a very tight game- quite amazed at how long our odds are considering we have beaten the Dogs the past 3 times. Huge game to prove ourselves against a quality opponent. We have played well against the betts so far (Geel/ St K etc)- I reckon we're a real chance.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 3:09 pm 
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The_Cranium wrote:
BlueRob wrote:
I would play Setanta and tell him to take Lake way out near the boundary line and leave the forward line open. Don't worry if he does not get a kick ... just keep Lake (assuming thats the match up) out of it.



problem is Lake will sit back and let Setanta run out to the boundary all day. He will be more than happy to take the risk of setanta getting it near the boundary line and either trying to centre and Lake takes a defensive grab or having a shot at goal and invariably missing. How many do reckon Irish can kick from the boundary line? He is a 50/50 proposition from directly in front.

I would almost look to try something completely left field and play a defender on Lake. Maybe T-Bird gets a go. Our 'get-out' kick to a contest centres 100% on bringing the ball to ground and stopping Lake from marking it. Lake eats it up cos forwards naturally try to outmark him. Why not play someone with the instruction to not even try to mark, merely spoil Lake on every occasion. Get the mosquitos buzzing around the contest and take our chances at ground level rather than in the air.




I doubt very much that Lake would let Setanta be an avenue to goal and not be covered. I hope that does happen because Setanta will take a barrel load of marks.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 3:16 pm 
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Josh Kaplan wrote:
They'll play Harbrow on Edward Robert- need Edward Robert to be on his game as Harbrow provides a lot of drive.
I reckon Hoops will get Murphy and Setant should get Lake but play him solely out of the goalsquare.
Might put Joseph on Gilbee and Carazzo on Cooney. Our mids need to be on their game and, as good as Judd is inside, he will have his hats full against Boyd and Cross.. Grigg needs a big game in that role.

Also surely Gibbs has to play this week in the middle.. I reckon Ratts will be tempted to run Gibbs with Griffen but if he plays in a purely defensive role we won't win. Their midfield will be way too aggressive and we need to use our best ball users in the most attacking positions v the Dogs.

I think we spread just as well as the Dogs do from stoppages (Simpson, Murph, Yarran, Scotland). Will be a very tight game- quite amazed at how long our odds are considering we have beaten the Dogs the past 3 times. Huge game to prove ourselves against a quality opponent. We have played well against the betts so far (Geel/ St K etc)- I reckon we're a real chance.


Yep Setanta should play on Lake out of the goalsquare. However Setanta must clear/feed the ball to the crumbers rather than try to outmark Lake. Lake will instinctively try to mark and if Setanta tries to outmark him Setanta will get eaten alive.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 3:43 pm 
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stubba wrote:
Josh Kaplan wrote:
They'll play Harbrow on Edward Robert- need Edward Robert to be on his game as Harbrow provides a lot of drive.
I reckon Hoops will get Murphy and Setant should get Lake but play him solely out of the goalsquare.
Might put Joseph on Gilbee and Carazzo on Cooney. Our mids need to be on their game and, as good as Judd is inside, he will have his hats full against Boyd and Cross.. Grigg needs a big game in that role.

Also surely Gibbs has to play this week in the middle.. I reckon Ratts will be tempted to run Gibbs with Griffen but if he plays in a purely defensive role we won't win. Their midfield will be way too aggressive and we need to use our best ball users in the most attacking positions v the Dogs.

I think we spread just as well as the Dogs do from stoppages (Simpson, Murph, Yarran, Scotland). Will be a very tight game- quite amazed at how long our odds are considering we have beaten the Dogs the past 3 times. Huge game to prove ourselves against a quality opponent. We have played well against the betts so far (Geel/ St K etc)- I reckon we're a real chance.


Yep Setanta should play on Lake out of the goalsquare. However Setanta must clear/feed the ball to the crumbers rather than try to outmark Lake. Lake will instinctively try to mark and if Setanta tries to outmark him Setanta will get eaten alive.




I got an Idea Lake is in career best form had 28 possesions and 18 marks playing on arguably the best CHF player in the league - So lets play Setanta on him he show em hows its done :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 3:45 pm 
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Still think Hoops would be worth trying against Lake.
Failing that,
would like to see TheSwan with him. :smile:

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 4:05 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
stubba wrote:
Josh Kaplan wrote:
They'll play Harbrow on Edward Robert- need Edward Robert to be on his game as Harbrow provides a lot of drive.
I reckon Hoops will get Murphy and Setant should get Lake but play him solely out of the goalsquare.
Might put Joseph on Gilbee and Carazzo on Cooney. Our mids need to be on their game and, as good as Judd is inside, he will have his hats full against Boyd and Cross.. Grigg needs a big game in that role.

Also surely Gibbs has to play this week in the middle.. I reckon Ratts will be tempted to run Gibbs with Griffen but if he plays in a purely defensive role we won't win. Their midfield will be way too aggressive and we need to use our best ball users in the most attacking positions v the Dogs.

I think we spread just as well as the Dogs do from stoppages (Simpson, Murph, Yarran, Scotland). Will be a very tight game- quite amazed at how long our odds are considering we have beaten the Dogs the past 3 times. Huge game to prove ourselves against a quality opponent. We have played well against the betts so far (Geel/ St K etc)- I reckon we're a real chance.


Yep Setanta should play on Lake out of the goalsquare. However Setanta must clear/feed the ball to the crumbers rather than try to outmark Lake. Lake will instinctively try to mark and if Setanta tries to outmark him Setanta will get eaten alive.




I got an Idea Lake is in career best form had 28 possesions and 18 marks playing on arguably the best CHF player in the league - So lets play Setanta on him he show em hows its done :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


Ok so who would you play on him and and how would be be intsructed to play?

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 4:12 pm 
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Josh Kaplan wrote:
They'll play Harbrow on Edward Robert- need Edward Robert to be on his game as Harbrow provides a lot of drive.
I reckon Hoops will get Murphy and Setant should get Lake but play him solely out of the goalsquare.
Might put Joseph on Gilbee and Carazzo on Cooney. Our mids need to be on their game and, as good as Judd is inside, he will have his hats full against Boyd and Cross.. Grigg needs a big game in that role.

Also surely Gibbs has to play this week in the middle.. I reckon Ratts will be tempted to run Gibbs with Griffen but if he plays in a purely defensive role we won't win. Their midfield will be way too aggressive and we need to use our best ball users in the most attacking positions v the Dogs.

I think we spread just as well as the Dogs do from stoppages (Simpson, Murph, Yarran, Scotland). Will be a very tight game- quite amazed at how long our odds are considering we have beaten the Dogs the past 3 times. Huge game to prove ourselves against a quality opponent. We have played well against the betts so far (Geel/ St K etc)- I reckon we're a real chance.



Good match ups but i would keep Gibbs in the backline at least til the late in the third. Our team looks and plays better with him back. Far better balance and we win more games with him back than we do with him in the middle.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 4:36 pm 
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bluegirl72 wrote:
Still think Hoops would be worth trying against Lake.
Failing that,
would like to see TheSwan with him. :smile:


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