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 Post subject: Re: The forwardline
PostPosted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 10:03 am 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
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I agree Shag. It's pointless having 3 talls in the forwardline and then going short to a 50/50. Load it up and kick the bloody thing and give the 3 amigos an opportunity to feed off the spoils.



if we do that next week Lake could quite possibly break the record for the most marks taken in a game


Unless I missed him, Lake didn't play Thursday night.
Brisbane had Merrett and a few undersized helpers. It's horses for courses.

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 Post subject: Re: The forwardline
PostPosted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 10:14 am 
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sticks25 wrote:
Hampson was very ordinary last night, he touched the ball 4 times, did not take a mark, if
we are relying on him and O'Alphin as forward prospects in the long term, challenging for
premiership is a long way off.

Henderson will be part of our forward structure going forward, we need someone else
and very much doubt is either of O'Alphin or Hampson.


We won a premiership with Kernahan (Henderson) and Spalding (O'Hailpin) and didn't have nearly as much quality around there feet as we have now.

Personally I don't think that we need a power forward who can take the big mark so long as he can stop the defender from marking. Once the ball hits the deck, I would bank on our smalls to either gather the ball or tackle the defender. Our smalls are still too young and not fit enough to do it regularly, but you can see the games when they are switched on and fresh what our forward structure could look like in a couple years.

Premierships are won my midfielder's and we are getting close to having a midfield that can take us there. The bit that is missing from ours is that hard nosed mid who can extract, hit the pack and put doubt in the mind of the opposition mids. We have tried to trade for one (Hadley & McLean), but I believe that Robbo will be that mid if he can lift his skills and fitness base.


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 Post subject: Re: The forwardline
PostPosted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 4:46 pm 
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Robbo's fitness is decent; it's his composure in terms of conserving how and where he runs, as well as his body strength that needs to improve the most.

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 Post subject: Re: The forwardline
PostPosted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 6:04 pm 
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Steve_C7 wrote:
sticks25 wrote:
Hampson was very ordinary last night, he touched the ball 4 times, did not take a mark, if
we are relying on him and O'Alphin as forward prospects in the long term, challenging for
premiership is a long way off.

Henderson will be part of our forward structure going forward, we need someone else
and very much doubt is either of O'Alphin or Hampson.


We won a premiership with Kernahan (Henderson) and Spalding (O'Hailpin) and didn't have nearly as much quality around there feet as we have now.

Personally I don't think that we need a power forward who can take the big mark so long as he can stop the defender from marking. Once the ball hits the deck, I would bank on our smalls to either gather the ball or tackle the defender. Our smalls are still too young and not fit enough to do it regularly, but you can see the games when they are switched on and fresh what our forward structure could look like in a couple years.

Premierships are won my midfielder's and we are getting close to having a midfield that can take us there. The bit that is missing from ours is that hard nosed mid who can extract, hit the pack and put doubt in the mind of the opposition mids. We have tried to trade for one (Hadley & McLean), but I believe that Robbo will be that mid if he can lift his skills and fitness base.


As much as i think Hendo has talent....he aint no Sticks :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: The forwardline
PostPosted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 6:52 pm 
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Steve_C7 wrote:
We won a premiership with Kernahan (Henderson) and Spalding (O'Hailpin)


:lol:

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 Post subject: Re: The forwardline
PostPosted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 6:55 pm 
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Navy Blue Horse wrote:
Steve_C7 wrote:
We won a premiership with Kernahan (Henderson) and Spalding (O'Hailpin)


:lol:


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :fight:

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 Post subject: Re: The forwardline
PostPosted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 11:25 pm 
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Steve_C7 wrote:
sticks25 wrote:
Hampson was very ordinary last night, he touched the ball 4 times, did not take a mark, if
we are relying on him and O'Alphin as forward prospects in the long term, challenging for
premiership is a long way off.

Henderson will be part of our forward structure going forward, we need someone else
and very much doubt is either of O'Alphin or Hampson.


We won a premiership with Kernahan (Henderson) and Spalding (O'Hailpin) and didn't have nearly as much quality around there feet as we have now.




That is laughable that you compare Henderson/O'Alphin to Kernahan one of our very best and Spalding, l suggest you rethink that
comparison, quite riduclous.


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 Post subject: Re: The forwardline
PostPosted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 12:04 am 
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the Hammer has not played an AFL game in 8 months
i think he needs a few weeks to get back into the pace and confidence up
ratten gave him a blasting at half time
but i <3 the hammer and i say give him as much time as he needs, superstar in the making ;)

our permanent forward line as i see it
Hendo = CHF for next 10 years
Betts and Garlett = Small forwards

then the mix and match players
Yarran = who i think is destined to be a top knotch classy mifeilder
Kruezer = resting up forward
Hampson = possibly
hoops = till retirement :D
waite = better suited on the wing

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 Post subject: Re: The forwardline
PostPosted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 1:07 am 
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It was interesting to hear the ABC comentary point of view on Setanta ... in fact they raved about about his performance ... talked about all the little things he does when he does not have the ball ... which makes it easier for the other forwards.

Hmmm.

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 Post subject: Re: The forwardline
PostPosted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 11:57 am 
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BlueRob wrote:
It was interesting to hear the ABC comentary point of view on Setanta ... in fact they raved about about his performance ... talked about all the little things he does when he does not have the ball ... which makes it easier for the other forwards.

Hmmm.


They need to drop by opsm this week...

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 Post subject: Re: The forwardline
PostPosted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 1:33 pm 
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Williams Kernahan Pearce
Rice Spalding Clape

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Betts O'hAilpin Houlihan
Yarran Henderson Robinson

:lol: :lol: ... think I know which forward line has the edge and by a fair margain!!!


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 Post subject: Re: The forwardline
PostPosted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 5:19 pm 
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DownUnderChick wrote:
Hammer told my brother at the footy clinic today that he couldnt get over how fast the game has become since he last played.

Said there was a massive difference between VFL and AFL.

Give the kid some time to get use to the pace.


Hammer was saying the same thing yesterday at the VFL. He said that there's "no time to think" in the AFL...

BTW - he's got a minor injury problem, but with the 10 day break between games, he's confident he'll be right for Sunday...

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 Post subject: Re: The forwardline
PostPosted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 5:32 pm 
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jimmae wrote:
Robbo's fitness is decent; it's his composure in terms of conserving how and where he runs, as well as his body strength that needs to improve the most.


And it is improving. He is playing smarter.

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 Post subject: Re: The forwardline
PostPosted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 5:51 pm 
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The Shag wrote:
Am I the only one who felt genuine excitement every time the ball was kicked high and long into the forwardline last night? I haven't felt it since the days when fev was deep, one-on-one, and you knew he was going to win it. The reason i felt it was basically all to do with Shaun Hampson. I thought he played a valuable role up there. He often times looked out of his depth, sure, but EVERY time the ball was kicked to him i felt he had an edge... just because of his height and athleticism. I haven't felt that way for a long time. I didn't feel it with Fev most games last season because he always had 3 opponents... We have a seriously gifted human being on our hands here... and it is exciting as hell.

He needs some serious work on his body positioning, and timing, but otherwise, he already seems quite capable of playing forward. A couple of times a brought it to ground and got it off to a small forward for a score.. combine that with a few strong grabs and youve got yourself a useful forward. Dare i say... he could be better than Kurt Tippett...


He's been here a few years and still can't take a catch. Play him to his strengths.....in the ruck! He can do that pretty well. No clue how to play forward.

When Waite comes back I'd like him as 3rd tall to Hendo and Setanta. As a 3rd tall, with his midfield type capabilities, he'd be a pr1ck of a match-up for the opposition. Help the other two so much.


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 Post subject: Re: The forwardline
PostPosted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 6:00 pm 
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Steve_C7 wrote:
sticks25 wrote:
Hampson was very ordinary last night, he touched the ball 4 times, did not take a mark, if
we are relying on him and O'Alphin as forward prospects in the long term, challenging for
premiership is a long way off.

Henderson will be part of our forward structure going forward, we need someone else
and very much doubt is either of O'Alphin or Hampson.


We won a premiership with Kernahan (Henderson) and Spalding (O'Hailpin) and didn't have nearly as much quality around there feet as we have now.

Personally I don't think that we need a power forward who can take the big mark so long as he can stop the defender from marking. Once the ball hits the deck, I would bank on our smalls to either gather the ball or tackle the defender. Our smalls are still too young and not fit enough to do it regularly, but you can see the games when they are switched on and fresh what our forward structure could look like in a couple years.

Premierships are won my midfielder's and we are getting close to having a midfield that can take us there. The bit that is missing from ours is that hard nosed mid who can extract, hit the pack and put doubt in the mind of the opposition mids. We have tried to trade for one (Hadley & McLean), but I believe that Robbo will be that mid if he can lift his skills and fitness base.


Please don't compare Hendo and Setanta with Kernahan and Spalding. It's does nothing for your credibility.

Midfield is always the engine room but without a decent KP forward or two you won't be winning too many flags. As we 've seen footy is way more contested in Finals, getting free run is more difficult, making the KP forwards even more important.


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 Post subject: Re: The forwardline
PostPosted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 8:22 am 
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jim wrote:
Steve_C7 wrote:
sticks25 wrote:
Hampson was very ordinary last night, he touched the ball 4 times, did not take a mark, if
we are relying on him and O'Alphin as forward prospects in the long term, challenging for
premiership is a long way off.

Henderson will be part of our forward structure going forward, we need someone else
and very much doubt is either of O'Alphin or Hampson.


We won a premiership with Kernahan (Henderson) and Spalding (O'Hailpin) and didn't have nearly as much quality around there feet as we have now.

Personally I don't think that we need a power forward who can take the big mark so long as he can stop the defender from marking. Once the ball hits the deck, I would bank on our smalls to either gather the ball or tackle the defender. Our smalls are still too young and not fit enough to do it regularly, but you can see the games when they are switched on and fresh what our forward structure could look like in a couple years.

Premierships are won my midfielder's and we are getting close to having a midfield that can take us there. The bit that is missing from ours is that hard nosed mid who can extract, hit the pack and put doubt in the mind of the opposition mids. We have tried to trade for one (Hadley & McLean), but I believe that Robbo will be that mid if he can lift his skills and fitness base.


Please don't compare Hendo and Setanta with Kernahan and Spalding. It's does nothing for your credibility.

Midfield is always the engine room but without a decent KP forward or two you won't be winning too many flags. As we 've seen footy is way more contested in Finals, getting free run is more difficult, making the KP forwards even more important.



I made the comparison based on type of player I think they will become. I am NOT saying that Hendo is the equal of Sticks, but I see him developing to a decent strong marking forward in the future as I think he runs to the right places and has a great workrate to run multiple leads. I never saw sticks when he was hendos age as he was 23 before he played for the blues.

Spadling was a crash and bash CHF and very rarely did his opponent mark the ball and I see O'Hailpin playing a similar role for the team. Carlos will never be a splading or even close to be honest, but his role is to create a contest rather than kick the goal. Remember Spalding averaged less than 20 goals a year and in his first year as a forward Carlos is on track for 30+.

I don't believe that either of these 2 will be equal to Sticks & Spalding, but I do think that they will play similar roles and once our midfield gets the balance right I think that our forwards will be good enough to win a premiership. Geelong has proven that you don't need a top line KP forward to win flags.


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 Post subject: Re: The forwardline
PostPosted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 9:21 pm 
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Hampson may have the potential to play forward, however he needs quite the education on how to play as a forward! Certainly has the physical attributes.

The forwardline I would like to see for the year is....................

FF: Betts, Waite, Fisher
HF: Yarran, Hendo, Garlett/Houlihan

Waite, Fish and Hendo are all marking forwards, Fisher has his limitations there is no doubt about that, however he has always been a strong mark and a good lead, links well around the ground and gives us a natural forward to kick to.

Hendo is coming along nicely, while waite has proven this year (when not suspended) that he can play forward well, they both offer good mobility too.

Houlihan to play defensive forward, doesnt need many opportunities to hurt the opposition either. Betts and Gartlett at the feet. Yarran to rotate forward, however with his skills he should also be used up the ground too.

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 Post subject: Re: The forwardline
PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 1:50 am 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
Williams Kernahan Pearce
Rice Spalding Clape

vs

Betts O'hAilpin Houlihan
Yarran Henderson Robinson

:lol: :lol: ... think I know which forward line has the edge and by a fair margain!!!


True, but really, how often did Williams play as a permanent forward pocket (I'm guessing once)?

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 Post subject: Re: The forwardline
PostPosted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 2:50 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
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I agree Shag. It's pointless having 3 talls in the forwardline and then going short to a 50/50. Load it up and kick the bloody thing and give the 3 amigos an opportunity to feed off the spoils.



if we do that next week Lake could quite possibly break the record for the most marks taken in a game


Unless I missed him, Lake didn't play Thursday night.
Brisbane had Merrett and a few undersized helpers. It's horses for courses.



BV they took your advice and banged it long at every opportunity


It was ugly

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 Post subject: Re: The forwardline
PostPosted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 3:06 pm 
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problem seemed to be more that the forwards themselves had no idea it was coming in long... At least one of their defenders was constantly without a man. We looked best playing the paddock and kicking back over the top of the defenders.. but we only did that once... :(

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