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 Post subject: Re: Brocking hell
PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 7:26 pm 
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Agree Surrey, talk about premature.

Maybe this place can help
http://amiaustralia.rtrk.com.au/?scid=46607&kw=3801761&pub_cr_id=4513389286

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 Post subject: Re: Brocking hell
PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 7:33 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Brocking hell
PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 7:45 pm 
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Warby wrote:
As I said earlier; the ironically sad part of the deal is that Melbourne used our pick 11 to snare Jordan Gysberts who is already a young gun; and a ball magnet with real running ability.


Way to early call did you see his last game against Pies only 10 possessions 1 tackle nothing to get excited about. most likely will be dropped after his third game.
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Warby
 Post subject: Re: Brocking hell
PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 7:56 pm 
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blueboy8 wrote:
Warby wrote:
As I said earlier; the ironically sad part of the deal is that Melbourne used our pick 11 to snare Jordan Gysberts who is already a young gun; and a ball magnet with real running ability.


Way to early call did you see his last game against Pies only 10 possessions 1 tackle nothing to get excited about. most likely will be dropped after his third game.


Gysberts is 19....190cm...84kg and still growing....averaged 23 disposals a game in the TAC Cup last year.....plenty of upside.

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 Post subject: Re: Brocking hell
PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 7:58 pm 
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Not making a call one way or ther other but after Round 14 we have another 10 day break - we basically play 2 games in a month. Ratts in his Monday interview talks about the knee surgery probably only costing him a few games.
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blueboy8
 Post subject: Re: Brocking hell
PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 8:15 pm 
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Warby wrote:
blueboy8 wrote:
Warby wrote:
As I said earlier; the ironically sad part of the deal is that Melbourne used our pick 11 to snare Jordan Gysberts who is already a young gun; and a ball magnet with real running ability.


Way to early call did you see his last game against Pies only 10 possessions 1 tackle nothing to get excited about. most likely will be dropped after his third game.


Gysberts is 19....190cm...84kg and still growing....averaged 23 disposals a game in the TAC Cup last year.....plenty of upside.


Way to early to call. You have no idea if Gysbert will be better then Mclean in five years time. Griggs was great two years ago know cannot get a game. Ill sit back and watch what unfolds wont make bold statements that a third game player is a gun :eek:
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BluesRockMyWorld
 Post subject: Re: Brocking hell
PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 12:54 pm 
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Brock has to have surgery....

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/brock-mclean-not-the-year-i-wanted/story-e6frf9jf-1225882958450

I reckon put him in cotton wool until next season. He needs some time to get his body right

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BigBlueWave
 Post subject: Re: Brocking hell
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What really makes me laugh about the Brock haters is that they keep quoting the Jordan Gysberts pick that Melbourne made. Who is to say we would have picked Gysberts. We might have picked an ok player but please .. PLEASE stop using Gysberts in the argument ... its completely illogical.

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Warby
 Post subject: Re: Brocking hell
PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 2:35 pm 
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BlueRob wrote:
What really makes me laugh about the Brock haters is that they keep quoting the Jordan Gysberts pick that Melbourne made. Who is to say we would have picked Gysberts. We might have picked an ok player but please .. PLEASE stop using Gysberts in the argument ... its completely illogical.


Speaking for myself.......I'm just looking LOGICALLY at what might have been....a really good young 190cm 19yo in comparison to an injury prone, slow, 184cm 24yo......regardless of who recruited who.

And....I'm not a "Brock hater"......I'm just a Carlton fan who thinks we could.....no....should've done better with pick 11.

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 Post subject: Re: Brocking hell
PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 2:36 pm 
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BlueRob wrote:
What really makes me laugh about the Brock haters is that they keep quoting the Jordan Gysberts pick that Melbourne made. Who is to say we would have picked Gysberts. We might have picked an ok player but please .. PLEASE stop using Gysberts in the argument ... its completely illogical.


It may not be watertight, but it's hardly illogical I would've thought.

We purchased Brock with pick 11. Melbourne used that pick to purchase Gysberts. So the opportunity-cost of us buying Brock was the chance to purchase Gysberts. It's basic economics, and that's the way the club would think too.

They would've looked at all the kids likely to be available at 10-14, and made the call that Brock was a better buy than any of them. Whether than works out remains to be seen, but the reality is what it is.
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 Post subject: Re: Brocking hell
PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 3:26 pm 
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A very bold assumption we would have picked up Gysberts. From what I understand he was not really on the radar. Surely you can't use him in an "instead of McLean" argument except to highlight that there was other young talent out there. We may have got someone that might have been ok ... who knows ... we might have picked up someone who was completely crapola. It does not seem a valid argument to me.

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Warby
 Post subject: Re: Brocking hell
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BlueRob wrote:
A very bold assumption we would have picked up Gysberts. From what I understand he was not really on the radar. Surely you can't use him in an "instead of McLean" argument except to highlight that there was other young talent out there. We may have got someone that might have been ok ... who knows ... we might have picked up someone who wascompletely crapola. It does not seem a valid argument to me.



So far......McLeans not crapola??????......you could've fooled me.

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 Post subject: Re: Brocking hell
PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 4:21 pm 
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BlueRob wrote:
A very bold assumption we would have picked up Gysberts. From what I understand he was not really on the radar. Surely you can't use him in an "instead of McLean" argument except to highlight that there was other young talent out there. We may have got someone that might have been ok ... who knows ... we might have picked up someone who was completely crapola. It does not seem a valid argument to me.


That's how I see it.

Comparing Brock to who WE rated or would've picked at #11 is the way to question it.
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jimmae
 Post subject: Re: Brocking hell
PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 8:08 pm 
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Comparing Brock to who WE rated or would've picked at #11 is the way to question it.

This has been addressed many moons ago: we would have taken Lucas at pick #11. It's who we rated after Lucas that is the mystery.

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Stamos
 Post subject: Re: Brocking hell
PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 8:34 pm 
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jimmae wrote:
Rexy wrote:
Comparing Brock to who WE rated or would've picked at #11 is the way to question it.

This has been addressed many moons ago: we would have taken Lucas at pick #11. It's who we rated after Lucas that is the mystery.


Not really. We rated Brock above all of them, which is why we traded pick 11 for him.
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HELLAS BLUE
 Post subject: Re: Brocking hell
PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 8:44 pm 
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Stamos wrote:
jimmae wrote:
Rexy wrote:
Comparing Brock to who WE rated or would've picked at #11 is the way to question it.

This has been addressed many moons ago: we would have taken Lucas at pick #11. It's who we rated after Lucas that is the mystery.


Not really. We rated Brock above all of them, which is why we traded pick 11 for him.



Ahhh but the question is, with the benefit of hindsight, did we overrate him?

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Stamos
 Post subject: Re: Brocking hell
PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 8:50 pm 
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We won't know for another couple of years.
Personally, I'm not sure how happy I would be if Lucas was running around for someone else, but I understand the reasoning for going after Brock. Hopefully he gets fit soon and does what we got him for.
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 Post subject: Re: Brocking hell
PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 10:53 pm 
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The 19 tram wrote:
Ok - so the same lame football department traded #25 for Hendersen and pick 12...

Not every trade is going to be successful. Will the McLean trade be a success? Time will tell. At the moment it isn't. It may be in 8 weeks time or next year or never.

I don't mind a football department that has a vision and then tries to make that vision a reality.

The great football departments get it right (or get lucky and then get it right).

The same type of poster lambasting the McLean trade would have traded Jordan Russell to Port for a 3rd rnd pick as he was no good, kept Fev as he was a star and traded a second rnd pick for Warnock...

Have your opinions by all means but if it was that easy then anybody could run a football club...

Maybe you can!


A bit close for comfort username? (BTW Mine 2006 , Yours 2008) :wink:
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 Post subject: Re: Brocking hell
PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 12:38 am 
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Close to bog in every game he has played injury free...

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 Post subject: Re: Brocking hell
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Juzzy wrote:
Close to bog in every game he has played injury free...


Was he close to BOG against collingwood??
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