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PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 4:26 pm 
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don't need to be big and strong to hassle the mcphee's... don't need to (and not allowed to) thump them anyway.
what's far more annoying and effective is just to push them around, push them to the ground when the opportunity presents, put them on the back foot just as a contest is occurring, get b/w them and judd - generally annoy, niggle.
make them have to run further and expend more energy than they otherwise would have to. if judd runs 50m, make them run 60m, b/c they have to run around a couple other guys plus knock them around so they have to get up and keep running etc...
everyone should be able to do that.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 5:40 pm 
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Thought Wallsy was spot on and thought Ratts handled himself pretty well


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 6:03 pm 
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I thought Ratts did well and looked strong in the interview.

One question though, why would Murph be 'out late' on the thursday night if he was carrying a dodgy hammy ? :confused:


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 6:12 pm 
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I found what Ratts said about our rucks very interesting. They asked him about having four rucks on the list and if there is room to trade one. Ratts kind of avoided the question a little and talked about how teams can manage 4 ruckman. However, he did go on to say that now that Kreuzer is injured they will have to wait and see how he is progressing at the end of the year to make a call on the rucks. It's not much but I felt it suggested that they have been in discussion about trading a ruck and that it is likely to happen. It adds to the debate of whether or not people believe we can hold on to all of them.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 6:35 pm 
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See for yourself...

[youtube]K2MJCYDgsxs[/youtube]

[youtube]Y1Zf5mfwSVQ[/youtube]

...also, here's the segment before where the panel discussed Carlton...

[youtube]B53nc1pNyuA[/youtube]

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 10:01 pm 
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The real bits you should see.....
ARE the bits with R. Walls.
HE FIRES a 12 gauge and hits a target on the BULLSEYE!

Everything he said he was spot on about!

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 10:16 pm 
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Walls was doing well until he laid into waite at the end there

2 weeks for that is @#$%&! ridiculous

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 10:25 pm 
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I thought Wallsy was gonna smack Tim Lane when Time suggested that Waite was stiff :lol: Man, he was fired up. was very good stuff. good on him.

Whilst I don't agree Waite should have been rubbed out, he was skating on thin ice and paid for it with an action that was largely unneccessary.... might have been justified if it was McPhee....

anyway, it was a great rant from wallsy and done with passion about the club, rather than some hater looking for a way to stick the boots in

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 10:47 pm 
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Towards the end of the program it was interesting that Ratten believed being the type of player he was, he seriously doubted he would be drafted today with the way football is played! Yet we gave up an early draft choice for a similar type player who never has been and never will be half the player Ratten was! :hitcomputer:


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 10:57 pm 
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ColourMan wrote:
Towards the end of the program it was interesting that Ratten believed being the type of player he was, he seriously doubted he would be drafted today with the way football is played! Yet we gave up an early draft choice for a similar type player who never has been and never will be half the player Ratten was! :hitcomputer:



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 11:01 pm 
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For goodness sake people, Ratts was being modest.
The guy had his limitations as a footballer but he was a champ, leader and would have been selected in any decade!
And for those people still thinking about having too many slow midfielders in one team, please think about Geelong/StKilda/Collingwood & Hawthorn and then post!


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 11:33 pm 
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SHHH! wrote:
The real bits you should see.....
ARE the bits with R. Walls.
HE FIRES a 12 gauge and hits a target on the BULLSEYE!

Everything he said he was spot on about!


Yes, that's covered in the third clip found in my previous post. :beer:

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 9:43 am 
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The interview demonstrates that Ratten is a magnificent assistant coach. He is the guy you want who is close to the players building team spirit. I listen to that interview and seriously question his credentials as a match day coach

Rattens comment on Kreuzers benefit as a Ruckman being his second effort. Surely if second efforts are a big mans x factor he is better played as a forward

Rattens view that our poor first half against Freo was due to getting 8 less hard ball gets
Roberts walls said and blind Freddy could have seen, the poor effort against Freo was due to poor set up and skill execution and goal kicking. All the tape showed poor goal kicking.

Walls says Yarran should play in the midfield so we can use his kicking skills (which we lack). Ratten says he isn't fit enough(fair call). However, Yarran gets tried in the middle too late in the game. Why wasn't the move executed in the second or third qtr. Roll the dice Ratts.

When Walls says we don't have the list to win a grandfinal and asks are you going to pick guys who can get you to finals or ones that can win a premiership (play some young kids as Hadley, Thornton, Carrots et al are not good enough). Ratts says a combination when the correct answer is we should be playing guys that are capable of playing in a grand final--today.

This interview subtley indicates that Ratts has many great qualities but is not a strategic thinker.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 10:25 am 
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Michael Jezz wrote:
The interview demonstrates that Ratten is a magnificent assistant coach. He is the guy you want who is close to the players building team spirit. I listen to that interview and seriously question his credentials as a match day coach

Rattens comment on Kreuzers benefit as a Ruckman being his second effort. Surely if second efforts are a big mans x factor he is better played as a forward - umm why? Shirley there are more second efforts across the whole ground than as a marking forward? but more than that, listen to the question - X factor AS A RUCKMAN!!! so gosh gee mr wilson, Ratts answered that question.

Rattens view that our poor first half against Freo was due to getting 8 less hard ball gets
Roberts walls said and blind Freddy could have seen, the poor effort against Freo was due to poor set up and skill execution and goal kicking. All the tape showed poor goal kicking. - Ratts would get hammered by many if he used poor kicking as an excuse so he didn't. Instead he talked about the mindset of the team from the outset and how he felt they didn't compete in that area - and I thought it it wasn't 8 less it was 8 to 24 (or close to that)

Walls says Yarran should play in the midfield so we can use his kicking skills (which we lack). Ratten says he isn't fit enough(fair call). However, Yarran gets tried in the middle too late in the game. Why wasn't the move executed in the second or third qtr. Roll the dice Ratts.

When Walls says we don't have the list to win a grandfinal and asks are you going to pick guys who can get you to finals or ones that can win a premiership (play some young kids as Hadley, Thornton, Carrots et al are not good enough). Ratts says a combination when the correct answer is we should be playing guys that are capable of playing in a grand final--today. - Ratts agreed one day (so you know he gets it) but Yarran was coming back from an injury and needed to get a feel for the game - think Yazz also went higher in the third but hey., use this to crucify him

This interview subtley indicates that Ratts has many great qualities but is not a strategic thinker.
- Not so Subtley indicated a certain bias - which is how we all view the world. Some people may have rose-coloured glasses - others simply down an eye-patch or two (not you tommi, well actually you, but not you, if you know what I mean).

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 11:10 am 
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Michael Jezz wrote:
The interview demonstrates that Ratten is a magnificent assistant coach. He is the guy you want who is close to the players building team spirit. I listen to that interview and seriously question his credentials as a match day coach

Rattens comment on Kreuzers benefit as a Ruckman being his second effort. Surely if second efforts are a big mans x factor he is better played as a forward

Rattens view that our poor first half against Freo was due to getting 8 less hard ball gets
Roberts walls said and blind Freddy could have seen, the poor effort against Freo was due to poor set up and skill execution and goal kicking. All the tape showed poor goal kicking.

Walls says Yarran should play in the midfield so we can use his kicking skills (which we lack). Ratten says he isn't fit enough(fair call). However, Yarran gets tried in the middle too late in the game. Why wasn't the move executed in the second or third qtr. Roll the dice Ratts.

When Walls says we don't have the list to win a grandfinal and asks are you going to pick guys who can get you to finals or ones that can win a premiership (play some young kids as Hadley, Thornton, Carrots et al are not good enough). Ratts says a combination when the correct answer is we should be playing guys that are capable of playing in a grand final--today.

This interview subtley indicates that Ratts has many great qualities but is not a strategic thinker.


:lol: :lol: :lol: I bet you have never questioned Ratts credentials as a match day Coach before. Stop the presses for that revelation.

Silly Ratts. In his 10 minutes of TV time he had the perfect opportunity to lay out his plans for World Domination of the AFL and he blew it. :eek: :eek: Spare me Jezz. If that is the best you could come up with then I suspect your heart really wasn't in it. Even Rhys26 could have done a better hatchet job than that and he only writes 1 condesending sentence per post.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 11:28 am 
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Watched the interview for the first time last night, and can I just say I was horrified at Thornton's body language. Absolutely disgraceful, especially when he had a go at Simpson, and when he staged for a free kick with a tantrum at the umpire. Walls hit the nail on the head that it is just not good enough, and by the sounds of things Ratts' patience is running out a bit with it too. I think Thornton should be dropped for the next game. So he can learn that it is just not acceptable.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 11:56 am 
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look just on T-Bird - have another look - Simmo says something to him first and he responds

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for flowers sake he had just spent the game rucking against Sandilands and Bradley and he isn't a ruck (for those that forgot) plus he drifted forward to help out the forward line, plus he gave away frees simply because he did not know how to ruck and was about a foot too short anyway so you know I think he deserves a bit of slack.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 12:06 pm 
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dannyboy wrote:
for !@#$%& sake he had just spent the game rucking against Sandilands and Bradley and he isn't a ruck (for those that forgot)


The coaching staff must have forgot as well.
Why the hell did he ruck against Sandilands in the first place?
Surely when Kruezer went down it had to be Thronton v Bradley and Jacobs v Sandilands


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 12:24 pm 
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dannyboy wrote:
for !@#$%& sake he had just spent the game rucking against Sandilands and Bradley and he isn't a ruck (for those that forgot) plus he drifted forward to help out the forward line, plus he gave away frees simply because he did not know how to ruck and was about a foot too short anyway so you know I think he deserves a bit of slack.


DB I think it is more that his body language and looking to blame everyone except himself is not just in this game, but has been a problem for years and he has failed to address it. He was in an adverse situation and instead of showing his behaviour had matured he showed it hadn't changed.

But if he is to get dropped it will be because he is slow, his kicking lacks penetration and we have better defensive options. He may be safe for a few weeks with Waite out but I think his days are numbered, and his lack of leadership and maturity means he will get cut less slack than others.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 12:41 pm 
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Michael Jezz wrote:

Rattens comment on Kreuzers benefit as a Ruckman being his second effort. Surely if second efforts are a big mans x factor he is better played as a forward
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I think you may be biasing the argument to push your own barrow. Why are a ruckman's second efforts any less important? Why wouldn't there be an advantage to a ruckman who instinctively hunts the ball after the contest effectively providing an extra midfielder? Have you also observed the way Kreuze naturally blocks for the midfielders as well? Kreuze is not a natural forward, never has been. His best position is on ball.


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