Most coaches goes through that at some stage of the season. Even Bomber last year. Ratts did too last year after we lost these two corresponding round and won 7 of the last 9 after being 6-7 at round 13.

if ratten is coach next year, or more specifically if paul roos isn't, jeanne pratt will withdraw her support of the club. first hand from as good a source as there is.

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LOL wut?

1. Highly doubt Ratten will be sacked at the end of the year.
2. Highly highly highly doubt Paul Roos will coach next year, and us at that.

So I guess....goodbye Jeanne Pratt?


And that reminds me, anyone know how her son in law is going on the board? Thought he was going to be president by end of the year?

lol yep found it pretty bewildering myself. and i forgot to say before there's also someone else she wants off the board but i have no idea who.

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Speak to Mrs Pratt yourself?

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dane's trolling again

nope. and i really dont want to say anything more about my source, for all i know that person could be reading this.

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I am and I'm not happy.
Go to the naughty corner young man!

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Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.

I heard from Juddy that Jeanne Pratt will be coaching next year.
Mark it down

He had one bad moment on Saturday night and that was putting Thornton against Sandilands for a brief period in the second quarter. Cost us a couple of goals.
Besides that the players got enough of the ball to win the game.

Well that source is an absolute dud. Not sure how many times people have to say it - but Paul Roos isn't coaching Carlton next year. But some people are just born gullible I guess.

Kangas don't have anywhere near the number of high and top 20 picks at their club we have, and they have a very young list now too, and yet are just about equal with us on the ladder.

With all these high picks and Judd the best ratten can do is have us on the edge of the 8

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It's a small world, but I wouldn't want to paint it

Ah the internet where coaches would be deified one week and shot the next.

Decision should be considered at the end of the year. No sooner. People simply get too emotional throughout the year.

Yep, end of year is where it's at.

But if the team can't arrest this mini-slide, and we miss the finals, I wouldn't want to be in Ratt's shoes (contract or not).

As for Roos, forget it. If he coaches again, I suspect Carlton is the last place he'd want to be. Really don't see a synergy between our culture and his outlook.

But West Coast would be gunning for him, bigtime. And would be able to throw bigger dollars than we would, not to mention provide his family with a more laid-back lifestyle than a Melbourne-based team would.

Agree on that

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It's a small world, but I wouldn't want to paint it

This may be a question for another thread, but John has piqued my curiosity.

John states that he doesn't see a synergy between our culture and Paul Roos' outlook.

Previously, in discussions about Laidley and Williams, the same view was put across. That both these coaches wouldn't fit in to the culture of our club.

I'm not disagreeing with these perspectives, but what I wish to ask is what precisely is the culture of our club? Are there any coaches out there that do fit the culture that we have? Or is it something only former Carlton players possess?

These questions are not meant to cast doubt on Ratten's coaching tenure (IMHO I think Ratts is quite a gifted tactical thinker of the game, but is failing at the moment to get the players up and playing to his instructions consistently). I'm simply curious as to what the culture of the club is and how broad the church is so to speak.

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STURDYISM!!

I've always assumed the culture of the club is a 'win to survive' type attitude. You achieve success in your particular portfolio in a short amount of time or you're swiftly shown the door. A ruthless existence.

When it comes to coaching, I would've thought the above mentioned 'culture' would be the standard across all clubs in the AFL.

It's an interesting topic, IMO.

For what it's worth, specifically in the case of Roos, I see him as having a progressive outlook (more specifically, I see him as seeing himself having a progressive outlook) and the feeling I get from Carlton is that it's an organisation that's relatively old-school in its approach to things.

We've got nice new facilities, but I don't think we've got the mindset to go with them really. Not the the extent that would make a Paul Roos feel comfortable.

Just my opinion, based on nothing more than Denis Denuto's 'vibe'. But I tend to trust my vibes.

I get that 'vibe' too, but I posed the question because in all honesty I have no idea what goes on inside the club. I simply like watching my team play footy.

Not to knock your post John, but I was wondering if you could clarify/elaborate what you mean by the terms "progressive" and "old-school" in regards to how an organisation is run?

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STURDYISM!!

Sure.

In large part, I think every traditional Victorian club (merely by the weight of their history) is going to be a little more weighed down (or at least influenced) by their past. So in some way, the organisation can't help but be defined by what's gone before. Same for Richmond and Collingwood and Essendon* too, it's not just us. So when a guy like Roos comes in, he's part of a chain that stretches back a long, long way. And he'd know it too.

You know - you take the coaching role at Collingwood, and on Day 1 some 90 year old is going to bale you up about Jock McHale. And at Richmond, it'll be Tommy Hafey and the 1960's and all that stuff.

But a club like West Coast, or Adelaide, or the Sydney Swans (forget the fact they used to be SMFC, they were a brand new entity up in the harbour city) doesn't really have the past. Not so many old ex players, or old deeds. Only the hope for what's to come. Any history they have is modern history.

So there's that (which is all very wanky new-age stuff. But I reckon that's what Roosy is into.

Then there's the feeling I get that Carlton still has a way to go in regards to embracing the new era it finds itself in. We seem like a club that isn't all that comfortable embracing change. After the shock of our first wooden spoons and the culture-shock of Pagan, it appears as if we deliberately decided to return to our roots for a while... to follow more comfortable old patterns and behaviours.

The Patriarch in Pratty. The Gun Signing in Juddy. The coach who barracked in the box. Very navy blue, very Carlton. Maybe not so very appealing to an individual like Roos.

I'm not saying that what we're doing is wrong - I'm a great believer in embracing your history (but more importantly, learning from it) and not denying who you are and what makes you strong. But just putting forward why I think that a guy like Roos wouldn't necessarily see Carlton as 'his' kind of club.

I also get the feeling that he doesn't think too highly of us, from his pressers. You can sometimes sense grudging admiration or respect from opposition coaches... but from Roos, I sense a degree of animosity. I genuinely don't think he likes our club all that much. Again, it's the Denuto Defense.