Blue Sombrero and Jack Worrall- your calm logic and common sense has no place on this forum!

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I agree - the effort was definitely there last night.

A couple of hours before the game I was feeling confident......then Murphy was ruled out......then the Kreuzer injury......and then the poor kicking - we were 1g-12pts a minute before half time. It was just one of those nights where nothing seemed to go right.

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Hellas, I'm the bloke who said I can't wait for the day that carrots can't get a game in this side, and I stand by that statement 100% At the moment he is in our best 22 and that is an indictment on our list. It shows that we are not at the right level yet. Carrots should have to struggle for his spot and would struggle for his spot in most sides in the top 6, because simply he is not good enough. he doesn't struggle for his spot though and that reflects where our list is at.

Jimmae hit the nail on the head. He is a selfish footballer. He would rather look good than do the hard things. He is not a team player.

You're a good one to talk about bias. Clearly you cannot see carrots for what he really is through your rose coloured glasses. you love him. good on you.

Your opinion is as valid as anyone's. However, I don't agree with it at all.

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how many times did we hit the post?

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Sorry. Got a bit carried away.

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Thornton should never play in this team again because he showed on two occasions again that he's not a team player. It really made me angry when he gestured to simpson that he should have tried to punch away from sandilands when he himself made such an appalling attempt, and late in the last quarter when we were only 8 points away and threatening gave away a 50m penalty when he spat the dummy after not getting a free kick for being held - and anyone who heard robert walls would agree. I haven't heard a commentator express anger like walls did at that point. If he played as well as he pointed he'd be a champ - not a chump

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Effes, the comments re Carrazzo getting the ball because the opposition want him to are a cop out from 2005-2006 and I think are rarely heard nowadays and certainly mean/prove nothing. If that's all you have I guess there's no more to discuss.

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Does anyone have a link to audio/video of Robert Walls doing his nut over Thornton? Apparently it is hilarious.

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If i can weigh in on the Carrazzo debate i was excited about Judd coming to the club because i saw carrots as a really good inside mid. Able to hold his feet in a tackle and good vision to dish out a handball to a rampaging Judd

making Carrazzo a tagger has ruined that side of his game. He is concerned too much about his opponent at stoppages when he should be taking the initative.
he will always be a shit kick . His best value is in close. Too me he seems lighter in the body as well than 3 years ago.

Perhaps Tbird should be given the rest of the year in the bullants to re-adjust his whole approach to how he plays.
He's only 26 years old and is physically in good nick. No reason why he can't re-invent himself for next year and another 3 years after that.

We are in a rut and it is taking a couple of weeks to shake it. Quite clearly the confidence we had at the start of the year has temporarily disappeared. Situations like the lucas/armfield bump and the simpson/lucas error in the last are perfect examples.

I thought last night was semi-positive as despite going down a man early, and playing like cr@p in front of goal for 2 qtrs (excluding the 3rd when we couldn't get it forward anyhow), at least some of the players kept going and tried to tough it out.

In particular, I liked henderson's game last night. He took the contested marks he needed to at crucial times and ran well up the ground too.

Jacobs was always going to struggle against sandilands particularly with kreuz out and i thought he did ok all things considered. At the end of the day, Sandilands played a blinder.

I was ambivalent about Lucas at the start of the year but he has won me over. Just needed the 1st game back and will be better for the run next week.

Simpson tried hard all night.

When Bower had the chance to run out of defence it lifted the whole team. Hopefully he also is better again next week after the run this week.

Lack of goals from our mids cost us, along with Waite's laconic points (x2) from straight in front.

On the negative side, we need to get our mojo back fast.

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A misfiring engine is easy enough to fix...

It might be funny but it's true. Matthew Pavlich had 21 possessions including 12 contested, 6 clearances, 4 tackles and 4 inside 50s. His team won the game.
If I was Carrazzo, I wouldn't be writing home about that.

If Carrots wants to gut run and offer something to the team, tell him to block for Judd and give him access to the ball instead of running forward of the play and calling for cheap handballs. His value is winning the contested ball, not leaching off others after they've done the hard work and turning it over.

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Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.

Jarrad Waite needs an attitude adjustment.

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Rambo Robinson #12

As long as we keep looking for excuses as to why we lose...we will remain second rate and require a shit load of Kleenex between now and years end....

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You reckon if we keep posting excuses on here that will happen?

Too easy. We stop posting excuses on Talking Carlton and the premiership is ours! WooHoo!

You people are a bunch of hypocrites. Carrazzo has done nothing different over the last few weeks than he did over the entire season (and last for that matter) but because we've had a few losses you all point the finger. Shame shame, like I said, if his teammates kick straighter at goal this wouldn't be happening. You point out on or two errors by foot and say he's costing us the game but totally ignore easy set shots missed by our forwards. Hypocrisy and bias at it's finest hour. I salute you!!

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Not sure why you get so wound up HB.

Lots of players don't get a fair shake because of bias and favouritism. That's just the way footy is and it's not worth getting all twisted about it. Lighten up mate.

Tell it to Brett Ratten since you know so much, he obviously doesn't know how to instruct his players according to you or is Carrots just ignoring instructions and playing his own game out there?? Or maybe you're just assuming to suit your argument? Please, do tell?

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