But this is such a fraught argument that many people use. Had we kicked the first, then the ball would have gone back to the centre and a completely different set of circumstances would have eventuated. You know, Kruiser may not have even had his knee blown out. It could have been Judd or Pavlich at the next centre bounce. Or we could have taken it away and kicked a torp from he centre square through the middle...or vice versa.

I've never understood that argument.

we should have had 4 in the first - we didn't

so blame the coach


we know there main weapon is sandilands

Kruise goes down

so blame the coach


how many were their? Not mpI'ma !@#$%& I guarantee it.

I was actually proud of them (after the first when they missed everything)

It was a game when if it could go wrong it did

3 years ago it would have been a 10 goal loss


but the lads pushed and pushed and pushed

and could have won


and I still don't know how but they did cos they gave it their all

be pissed off by all means

but be proud.

I know I left proud.


You have got to be kidding. If you don't think our forward structure, lack of positional moves and defensive use of walker and Gibbs didn't make a 3 goal difference despite K's injury, you were at a different game to the one I watched on TV. Sometimes as posters we go over the top but by geez, Ratts had a bad day. It is as if he can not change tactics in the heat of battle How many of these coaching efforts are acceptable?


that doesn't mean there are not some players I think are not up to it - there are - and yet still we plugged away!

When we beat Saints we moved the ball quickly, but we haven't done that since

So you're saying Ratten has instructed the players to slow down the way they move the ball?

Ok, let me ask again.....do you think Ratten has instructed the players to slow down the way they move the ball?

Let's put it this way mate

I went to the game tonight with a neutral observer, a Geelong fan

He said my way through the second term "You guys win more of the ball but you have no system at all in moving it and the fwdline is non existent"

That's a neutral observation

Structure, ultimately is the coach's domain - esp when the team is winning enough ball the coach should take most of the heat if the players then don't turn effort into reward

Freo had less of the ball and less F50 entries, but when they got it they moved it more fluently, with more system and conviction

Beter drilled side

Coach's domain

Getting rid of Fev is a mistake - not appropriately replacing him is a bigger mistake.

Trading first round pick for Mclean is another big mistake.

Forwards leading to pockets is terrible to watch - dependant on snap shots and grabs inside 50 from Eddie Betts - yet another mistake.

Not playing Waite rebounding from the backline is another mistake.

This coaching group need to screw their heads on.

Ok, let me ask again.....do you think Ratten has instructed the players to slow down the way they move the ball?

Getting rid of Fev is a mistake - not appropriately replacing him is a bigger mistake.

Trading first round pick for Mclean is another big mistake.

Forwards leading to pockets is terrible to watch - dependant on snap shots and grabs inside 50 from Eddie Betts - yet another mistake.

Not playing Waite rebounding from the backline is another mistake.

This coaching group need to screw their heads on.

I think the coaches box does has have an issue to address with the opposition lately putting more numbers behind the ball and crowding our forward structure. They need to QUICKLY counter this in a positive way.

:roll: yes i an sure gysberts would have got up over the line, fools, the coach wasnt the one turning the ball over or hand balling to players under pressure,