Started the season like gangbusters but has quietly gone down hill since, really since the game against the Power. He's usually the one whose opposition goes for a long run unhindered (Harvey's goal last night sealed the deal) and he's not as damaging as he should be when he gets possession.

Every game through to the game against the Power he had over 20 possessions every week. Suddenly the production has dropped off.

I hope he can turn it around and I believe in him. However, wouldn't surprise me if he was dropped for a week to try and run him into some form in the Bullants.

Rather than making a double-post; as for dropping Setanta, I think for right now I'd rather bring back the third amigo, Chris Yarran, and see if that has a direct correlation into Setanta's output than merely dropping him right out from the team.

Haven't seen the game this week and wont be but,

Having read a few threads it seem Had's is coppong a fair bit for a better game than 95% of his team mates.

Garlett had 80 mins in the ground for 10 dispposals, 2 tackles and a point. I'd say that's pretty ineffective and no mention by TCers?

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Out: Browne, Ohailpin, Joseph, and whilst it is sacreligous to suggest it Kreuzer looks like he is begging for the break and the last thing we need is Sandilands working him over when he is tired from bounce 1.
In: Yarran, Grigg, Henderson, Hampson (we need a ruck who can actually jump at the massive mofo)

I decided to take a closer look at the numbers of Setanta O'hAilpin with and without all of the three amigos playing. It surprised me at how startling the numbers were to be honest.

Without counting the Hawthorn game in which Yarran was injured and missed a large part of the game.

Setanta with the three amigos

Vs Adelaide 8 D - 1 M - 1.0.6 - 2 T - 1 HO - 1 GC - 1 FF - 1 FA - 36 DT - 40 SC
Vs Geelong 10 D - 4 M - 1.3.9 - 1 T - 1 HO - 1 GA - 2 GC - 2 I50 - 1 FF - 53 DT - 57 SC
Vs Collingwood 18 D - 4 M - 5.1.31 - 2 T - 1 GA - 6 GC - 5 I50 - 3 FF - 103 DT - 114 SC
Vs St Kilda 11 D - 3 M - 2.2.14 - 1 GA - 3 GC - 53 DT - 71 SC
Vs Power 14 D - 4 M - 3.2.20 - 3 T - 1 GA - 4 GC - 1 FF - 83 DT - 95 SC

Total 61 D - 16 M - 12.8.80 - 8 T - 2 HO - 4 GA - 16 GC - 7 I50 - 6 FF - 1 FA - 328 DT - 377 SC (5 games)
Average 12.2 D - 3.2 M - 16ppg - 1.6 T - 0.40 HO - 0.80 GA - 3.20 GC - 1.2 FF - 0.2 FA - 65.6 DT - 75.4 SC

Setanta when not all three are playing

Vs Richmond 12 D - 7 M - 3.2.20 - 2 T - 1 GA - 4 GC - 2 FA - 78 DT - 75 SC
Vs Brisbane 16 D - 8 M - 4.3.27 - 4GC - 3I50 - 1 FA - 94 DT - 85 SC
Vs Essendon* 8 D - 2 M - 2.0.12 - 1GA - 3GC - 2I50 - 2 FA - 38 DT - 36 SC
Vs West Coast 11 D - 5 M - 3.0.18 - 1 GA - 4 GC - 1 FF - 1 FA - 60 DT - 79 SC
Vs Melbourne 12 D - 1 M - 0.1.1 - 3 T - 1 GA - 1 GC - 2 I50 - 1 FF - 2 FA - 41 DT - 40 SC
Vs North Melb 4 D - 1 M - 1.1.7 - 1 T - 1 GC - 1 FA - 21 DT - 25 SC

Total 63 D - 24 M - 13.7.85 - 6 T - 4 GA - 17 GC - 7I50 - 2FF - 9 FA - 332 DT - 340 SC (6 games)
Average 10.5 D - 4 M - 14.167ppg - 1 T - 0.67 GA - 2.83 GC - 1.167 I50 - 0.33 FF - 1.5 FA - 55.33 DT - 56.67 SC

Based solely on the DT and SC stats alone it appears that he is between 1.2 to 1.33 times the player with the three amigos than he is without.

Solution -- If Betts is healthy enough to play against the Dockers then you add Yarran without subtracting Setanta from the lineup.

Interesting to note that Setanta's best games (minus the Collingwood game) with the three amigos came with Jarrad Waite as the other forward option. This could indicate that Setanta's output is directly correlated to the amount of forward line defensive pressure that the team applies. This has, to me, been Setanta's greatest area of strength.

Another stat worth mentioning that correlates to defensive forward pressure: With the three Amigos Setanta has a great 6-1 free kicks for differential with the three amigos while he has a polar opposite 2 frees for, 9 against when without.

Clearly Setanta is a better performer with the three amigos.

Hopefully Henderson, McLean, Bower & Yarran play well in the VFL.

And yet the scribes in The Age had him amongst our best players. He might have been ineffective on the scoreboard and his tackle count was down, but his effort was still better than 3/4 of his teammates.

Oh, one last thing on the Setanta and the three amigos thing. Our win/loss record with and without.

Carlton w/ Setanta + three amigos: 4-1 (loss to a nigh on unstoppable (the in form side of the comp when we got them) Collingwood team) .. Carlton w/ Setanta but only 2 amigos: 2-4 defeating only Melbourne (who played us fairly after the first quarter) and the Eagles in Melbourne.

I thought Garlett was just fine last night. His job is to play the penetrating forward pocket role and be the little man down at the base. When the ball is being delivered as badly as it was down there he's unable to play his role. However, he clearly played his guts out and had several inspiring plays as deep as the half-back line. He's just fine.

for mine its:
IN: Yarran, McLean, Bower
OUT: Hadley, Browne, Joseph

one more average game from Setanta and Henderson comes in.

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Garlett was OK.
It was one of those times where the stats lie. He ran and created more than those with double his possessions.

Hadley looked slow and although he won his share of ball, he really didn't set the play up well. Haveing said that, he wasn't on his own there. I prefer Maclean myself.

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and adding to that...perhaps at the other end...Thornton staying in when we get Bower back will lift the entire back line,and of course allow Gibbs more time in the middle as well....?
Had thought it was Betts who needed Yaz back,but he proved me wrong last nite.

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Out: Thornton, Robinson & Browne
In: Bower, Yarran & Lucas

I thought his duel with Harvey was pretty even after Harvey's goal. Not Carrzzo's fault.
Harvey really didn't have a great say in the game, so you'd have to give Carrots the honours

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I think Kreuzer at full forward would not be a bad move. He is a better mark than Satanta and can compete equally as well. We often push up the ground leaving the fifty empty for the paddoch tactic which will suit big K also.

Henderson can play that position also. Switching it up with Waite throughout the game.

I think Carlos is out of form so it is time to swap him out.

Just pick you best 22

Some of those on the park last night are not in our best 22

pick the 22 then work out where to put them it will sort it self out

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That wont win us a game though. The balance will be all over the shop.

Changes need to be made as last night was unexceptable and we have too many players that perform one week and then go missing for three.

To be a good AFL player you need to perform week in week out.

Guys like Setanta and Robinson need to do more than just play well when they are 'up' for it. You cannot survive in this game if your ability is based more on adrenalin and enthusiasm as it will only go so far and in the end you will struggle.

I am hoping today a few of Grigg, Henderson, Hampson, Austin, McLean, Warnock, Yarran, Lucas, Davies stand up and show they really want a spot because they will never get a better opportunity.

I think next week we need another tall forward and some more consistent contributors around the ball.

Out: Browne, Setanta, Robinson, Joseph, Thornton (dont know why he wasnt pushed forward when we needed goals?) Jacobs (unlucky but need more options)

In: Bower, Yarran, Lucas, Grigg, Hampson, Henderson

Line up:

B: Armfield Bower Jamison
HB: Russell Walker Lucas Gibbs
C: Simpson Hadley Scotland
HF: Henderson Houlihan
F: Betts Kruezer Waite
Foll: Hampson Judd Murphy
Int: Carrazzo, Yarran, Grigg, Garlett
Em: Austin, McLean, Touhy

More consistent ball winning players (Browne, Robinson, AJ vs Grigg, Lucas, Yarran) and better disposal
More attacking defence with lots of run.
Better options through midfield.
More goalkicking options
Flexibility around the ground for matchups
Speed and a better kicking side
Hammer and Kruezer rotate in square giving us a long option and allowing to kick ball long. Should also bring smalls into play and allow Waite third tall defender.

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I find the Hadley bashing that's going on quite amusing.

20 disposals, 11 contested possessions, 6 clearances, 7 tackles are good numbers for the in and under role.

Time to drop the silly agenda's and give due credit.

His job on Harvey was great, but he held onto to the ball for too long and didn't pressure any other North players when without it. For a bloke who can read the game superbly, it was a very myopic effort from him on Harvey.


Hadley has one of the most specific and tactically unhindered jobs in the team: win the tap & feed, if not block, pressure and harass in the clinches. After that, push outside after the stoppage and present as an option while mindful of an opponent/zone.

What those stats don't tell you is that those were 7 effective tackles out of 9 attempts, which are part of the 1%ers stat that Hadley had 8 of. So outside of his effective tackles, he had one shepherd/spoil/knock-on to his name. That is beyond poor.

What it also doesn't tell you is that of his 14 handballs, he only had an efficiency rate of 70%, his numbers being boosted by dinky footy passing. If you don't know how to read them, the stats can and do lie.

Removing effective tackles, the team head-to-head on 1%ers was 65-43 in North's favour. That is a damning statistic, and he's not alone in our midfield with regard to that. He is the weakest link in all other areas, however.

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Absolute must win game. We need to win at least another 5 games to make the finals and this is one we have a chance to win. Look ahead at the fixture and try to find another 4.

Whilst I would also have bought Henderson into the team this week, I watched Gold Coast play today and they are just above VFL seconds quality.

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