The set-up of the Roos was similar to the Pies and we struggled to adjust
Our forward structure is seriously dysfunctional currently.
Browne pulled out of a contest with Lyndsay Thomas for Christs sake and cost us a goal.
I think Harvey won the game midweek when he taunted Carlton to play physically. We gave away so many off the ball frees being sucked in by these stagers. The umpiring was shizen but our discipline was poor.
Thomas was obviously the go-to man. Why wasnt carazzo on him after he kicked 3 or 4

We'll win next week because the attitude will be back. We won't be top 4 until we can apply the same effort week after week

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He also lacks footy smarts/awareness.

At AFL level that contest was poor by Browne. He knew he was going to be hit so took the option to pull out. Attack the ball, and if he did put his over it then he would have landed a free kick. We wonder why we don't get the frees it is because some players do not know how to attack the football.

Robo needs to keep his feet in a contest. Often he works hard but goes to ground and there is no second effort.

AJ has had a couple of poor weeks and is not looking up to it at the moment.

Betts and Judd may not be playing next week.

Players knocking other players over in front of the umpire should be dragged straight away. Frustrating and dumb football it is.

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Pros

Read cons

Cons
I dont have any pros when we lose to a team that in all reality are a minimum of 3 years behind us and took such great joy in handing us thrashings when we were 3 years behind them. the players can go and get [REDACTED] for that effort. somebody needs to remind these gen y prima donnas of all the shit weve gone through over the last 7-8 years when we turn in displays like that one.

mclaren the flower took another 5 years off my life with that deplorable umpiring display.

His performance really disappointed me last night and not sure he'll be given many more opportunities with quite a few in the bullants ready to come back.
Really shot himself in the foot, IMO.

[quote="DownUnderChick":flower]Pro
On our win two lose one scenario, we should beat Freo and Brions.

Con
On our win two lose one, we should lose to the Doggies.[/quote:flower]

We will lose to collingwood also.

The good news is if we lose every third game we will finish with 14 wins.

.......but to win the GF you have to win at least 3 straight in the finals.

Pros

If everyone played like Jacobs we would have had it in the bag.

Holding marks and his ground play's gone up a level. He makes his presence felt around the ground and will learn how to do it even better without giving away frees. Ditto Joseph and a few others.

Cons

Not more recognition of Jacobs' work here.

Reminded me of night games against North in the 90's.

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PROS

Season is still alive with plenty to play for and room for improvement.
Ratten has to create greater desire from all players.
Desire will improve by replacing players who should have done better with those who want to show have more to offer.
We have a quality list with very few injuries. Ratts can create more pressure for spots by making weekly tough decisions.

Betts, Judd, Gibbs, Murphy, Waite, Simmo, Scotto, Garlett, Armfield, Carrazzo, Jacobs and I guess Hadley all played well.
Armfield tagged Campbell out of the game (allowed him only 5 disposals)

Hansen kicked 2 behinds, 2 OBF's, and 2 didn't make the distance playing against the shorter Jamison, Walker and Thornton.

Probably would've won if the umpiring was fairer.
Great comeback in the 2nd Q till the umpire got involved. Same in the 3rd.
Grigg may have his kicking boot on this weekend to move ahead of McLean and Hadley for the tough in and under role.
Bower to come in and give us a few more cms in height in defense and a bit more run
We have a bunch of players knocking on the door who could have done better than some who were selected: Hendo, Yarran, Grigg, Lucas, Hampson & McLean


CONS

Jamison, Thornton & Walker are too short for Hansen and McIntosh. Lets take this issue more serious moving forward.
Players don't seem too concerned about losing their position in the seniors.

Sorry, but I could find an umpiring decision at least every 5 minutes which had a negative impact on the Blues. Really bias umpring imo.
McLaren is the arch enemy of Carlton. Blind Freddy said so.

We only have 1 Armfield to tag the smalls, 1 Gibbs for back and midfield roles and only 1 Judd for the inside and outside roles

Hadley may have got a lot of possessions, and pats on the back but to me he played similarly to the way McLean had been playing. We need someone to get the nut and protect Judd. Neither Hadley or McLean seem to have done that job well thus far.

It took a long time for Browne to get another shot in the seniors after that dismal performance against the Bumbers last year. Well he's done himself nothing to improve his stocks: too slow, too reactive. Weak as piss avoiding collisions 3 times when it was his turn. 3 times!!
Put your head over the ball or play in red.

Kreuzer's ruck work is average. He is wasted in the ruck, and even as a ruck rover. 7 possessions is not good enough. Play him forward or give him a rest. Setanta needs a rest.
What has AJ thinking when he knocked over Thomas in front of goal and umpire? Drop him for disciplinary reasons. He's been average this year.
WTF was Russell doing going up for a mark against McIntosh at FF. McIntosh marked and kicked truly from the square.
Russell and Walker flying for marks, when a well timed defender's fist would have been a far better option. Back to basics boys.
Judd's kicking is off.

Very disappointed. Lost opportunity to consolidate our position for finals footy.

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PROS: We're still in the race; although we've got to get some consistency into our game; regardless of the opposition.

We've got some fresh players to bring in to this now dispirited side.....Hendo for instance.

CONS: Reported "Sore knee" injuries to both Judd and Betts.

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The biggest con is that was our best side - taking into consideration the players available for selection.

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Oh noes!

After reading this thread, I'm convinced we're Richmond and we should have drafted Cotchin.

Con: No. 45 Aaron Joseph - have never seen a worse game of footy played by an AFL - hands down. Everything he touched turned to scat. He panicked, had no composure and sometimes didnt even look for a target. Had never seen a player seem so overwhelmed every single time he got the ball. Sure, he is quick and can twist and turn - big deal. Seriously, the worst game I have ever seen a carlton player have.

Russell - So happy with his year but needs to work on 1 on 1 marking a bit this week
Walker - very down this week, hopefully he can turn it around.
Basically all our defensive runners had shockers!

Setenta - has really struggled the last month, would much prefer Waite, Fisher and Hendo up there, with all 3 amigos at their feet - at least hendo and fish know where to lead - they can both take strong mark just like setants too.

Hopefully the players to come back in can make an impact - Bower, Lucas, Yarran - all good kicks btw!!

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Pro - The bullants will get a good tagger for next week, as AJ was absolutely awful

Pros:

- Jacobs - looks like a natural ruckman

Cons:

Plenty, but...

- Didn't 'come to play', especially in the first quarter - We knew North were pumped for this game, we knew how much it meant to them. And they were more desperate and committed than we were. Inexcusable. We must learn to bring the right attitude and application to EVERY game we play, be it against Geelong or Richmond. It is true that it is a sign of a young side, but it is also a sign of...

- Lack of Leadership - really stood out last night.

- Badly, badly outcoached - I have been critical of Ratten for a while, but in recent weeks Ratten has showed that he has implemented a good game plan for the players we have, and the coaches seem to be developing most of they young players well. Kudos to Ratten and coaches for that. However, yet again, the coaches took too long to make moves that were obvious. Russell had to be moved off Thomas before quarter time. It was clear that he was the wrong match up. Now it may have been that someone else may not have done any better, but you have to try. And by the time the move was made, Thomas' confidence was so sky high noone would have stopped him. An earlier move before he began to feel invincible might have changed things.

All in all, a really disappointing result. And with Fremantle, Brisbane and the Dogs coming up, one that could really hurt us.

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Bring back the laurel wreath logo!!!

Spot On!

All true.

Pros

Lucas, Bower, Hampson, Hendo, Yarran all to come in this week.

Cons

Browne last game for a long time.
AJ hopeless in the aerial contests. Thought he had picked up the last couple of weeks but was woeful.
Hadley doesn't add much.
Santy needs a rest.....terrible for 2 weeks in a row. Leg problems again ?
Houla a shocker. I more week, as he's had a good year though.
Umpiring the worst I've ever seen it. Very biased, and McLaren is a joke. Nearly as bad as Goldie was in his heyday.
Letting North and the AFL turn it into a celebration for the Roos, and we were just like Rabbits in the headlights. PATHETIC.
North actually looked a much better side than us for most of the night
Thomas just taking over from Shagger - good small forwards have always troubled us (e.g. Milne)
Top 4 still a chance but we blew a huge opportunity.
Next 4 games at Etihad

Caption this:

Slow learners.

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Pros:
Betts finally kicking a bag.
Waite.
Gibbs, although his kicking early was diabolical. (Along with the rest of the side.)
Jacobs continues to improve.
Hadley and Carrazzo did their jobs.

Cons:
Unbelievably bad run with the umpiring until late in the game. The Kangaroos' media campaign during the week certainly did the job in prejudicing the umpiring department. A few weeks ago we were mauled by Hawthorn, and got absolutely no protection. But this week it was like they were umpiring a different code. Not even gentle bumps in the side were allowed. I guess it didn't help that Brent Harvey kept throwing himself to the ground. Still waiting to hear why he wasn't cited and fined for his repeated staging.
We need a lot more from Murphy and Kreuzer than they're showing at the moment.
Armfield had a nightmare. Joseph wasn't far behind. And Santy as well. Really struggled the last 2 weeks.