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PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 11:15 am 
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nightcrawler wrote:
This is also faulty logic. The AFL's compensation scheme for uncontracted players lost to GC is not intended to be generous.


That's only if we lose one in a secret deal. The rumours are that Grigg will be our uncontracted player going to GC, if anyone. Hammer, Kreuzer and Warnock are all contracted beyond the end of this seaon - not sure about Jacobs, but if he's not then he's the only one who can be snared without (or with very little) compensation.

So why not just trade normally with the gold coast, or hawthorn, or whoever? No need to worry about the AFL's compensation scheme in this situation really.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 11:40 am 
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The Spornstar wrote:
nightcrawler wrote:
This is also faulty logic. The AFL's compensation scheme for uncontracted players lost to GC is not intended to be generous.


That's only if we lose one in a secret deal. The rumours are that Grigg will be our uncontracted player going to GC, if anyone. Hammer, Kreuzer and Warnock are all contracted beyond the end of this seaon - not sure about Jacobs, but if he's not then he's the only one who can be snared without (or with very little) compensation.

So why not just trade normally with the gold coast, or hawthorn, or whoever? No need to worry about the AFL's compensation scheme in this situation really.


Unfortunately the uncontracted big Sam looks like the one we could lose IMO. A great bloke and much improved. I'm not sure that when we drafted Warnock that we expected Sauce to improve quite as much as he has. I think it is great that a kid can work as hard as he has and be rewarded with a decent contract, wherever it might be :thumbsup: He won't be a star, but he will be very solid for someone and a few need a decent ruck.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 11:43 am 
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billc3 wrote:
One "proble" is the ages
Hammer 22
Kruze 21
Jacobs 22
Warnock 23

If we are to have 4 ruckmen on the list we should have them at different stages of their development...a couple of senior (established)...one reasonable back up who looks like they can step up and one developing.


A good point and kind of ironic given our ruck problems in the past. Perhaps we were/are looking at one of them as a Tippett type forward in the future?


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 3:29 pm 
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To answer your question...I would say he's definitely worth a first round pick to the Gold Coast as I'm sure they don't want to be throwing a 18 year old kid into the ruck in his debut season.

However there's no way I would trade Hampson at the moment and neither would the club I suspect.

I reckon he's going to be a very good player and to trade him now would be stupid considering what he'll be worth in a few years from now. He was always a project player having come from a soccer background, he hasn't come close to reaching his potential yet.

I'd be hanging onto all our ruckmen for as long as we can. I can eventually see one of them becoming frustrated at the lack of opportunities they're getting and seeking a trade which is fair enough but until that happens I wouldn't be going out seeking a trade just yet.
We have ruckmen 4 ready to go. Unusual. There is no chance we are going to be able to keep them all if there's opportunities elsewhere. If Hammer gets us a first rounder at the GC, take it. Better to do that while he, and Jacobs (Warnock left Freo because he wanted to come home), are contracted rather than waiting, deciding not to re-sign and get bugger all. Remember GWS can take uncontracted players too and we might get stuff all for one of our ruckmen. Do we want something decent while the chance is there, or do we want bugger all? Not as if we couldn't cover the loss of one, all 3 that support Kreuzer are good. Not convinced one of the 3 will be better than the other so we can afford to trade if GC are happy to cough up an early pick. No good having two in the Ants when we could be developing another KP player, or mid, with the pick we get. It's a chance to get in amongst a compromised draft.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 5:11 pm 
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I really hope they don't trade Hammer. Of the 4, he's the one with the unlimited potential, he's an amazing athlete who's just starting to learn what he can do with that big frame.

Wouldn't want to see any of them go. Warnock's been the most disappointing so far but he's needs a good run at it.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 9:59 pm 
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Teddy Hopkins Son wrote:
ridiculous thread.

Unless we can get a pavlich, roughhead or franklin for a straight swap there will be no trade, and that's no going to happen so he wont (shouldn't) be going anywhere.


Hampson in the same regard as the above mentioned.....

I'm not saying get rid of him, I'm asking what he's worth.

Let's get serious.
GC need a ruckman. We have four.
Hampson will want to be played AND payed.
He's a queenslander.

Doesnt this all sound like a recipe for GC to try and poach him?

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 10:43 pm 
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32bheatly wrote:
Teddy Hopkins Son wrote:
ridiculous thread.

Unless we can get a pavlich, roughhead or franklin for a straight swap there will be no trade, and that's no going to happen so he wont (shouldn't) be going anywhere.


Hampson in the same regard as the above mentioned.....

I'm not saying get rid of him, I'm asking what he's worth.

Let's get serious.
GC need a ruckman. We have four.
Hampson will want to be played AND payed.
He's a queenslander.

Doesnt this all sound like a recipe for GC to try and poach him?


Everyone seems to have forgotten that his parents sold up in Queensland and moved down to Melbourne. Certainly Hutchy had no idea of that on Footy Confidential.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 7:45 am 
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Personally I don't want to trade any of the ruckman. I think they all have enormous potential BUT if we have to trade one of them at the end of the year it wouldn't be Hampson. People seem to forget very quickly how much he improved last year and how much improvement the kid still has in him. I still believe he has the ability to become the best ruckman in the league and given an injury free run I see him leading the Carlton rucks for many years to come.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 8:58 am 
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Good problem to have. We talk about having to let one ruck go but we may end up with all three wanting to leave if they can't secure a spot.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 9:10 am 
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What did Geelong get for Mumford?

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 9:17 am 
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CK95 wrote:
What did Geelong get for Mumford?


I think the better question is what did Port get for Barry Brooks :grin: If we have to trade...aim high :lol:


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 9:18 am 
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Yeah, fair enough :lol:

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 11:38 am 
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I just dont understand how there can be talk of trading hammer before Jacobs, and that is nothing against Jacobs because i think he has come along very nicely this year... But Hammer is a freak and it is just a matter of time until he shows the world.

The purpose of trading is to improve your list, not damage it. Why would we let go of him (where he could thne unleash his ridiculous athletic capabilities) for anything less than a proven star?

Furthermore he was taken at pick 17 in a supposedly strong draft, 4 year of development at cfc, shown plenty and some posters are talking of trading im for...pick 17?
wtf!?


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 12:04 pm 
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I agree Teddy its baffling! :screwy:

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 2:29 pm 
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marciblue wrote:
I agree Teddy its baffling! :screwy:


I didnt hear the comments from sticks or swanny (maybe they were just letting everyone know that we are open to offers on ruckmen, for the right price, which is their perogative).

I hope we dont give one up easily, although jacobs would be the best return on investment if we did get an amazing offer. I dont subscribe to the Cap pressure issue because I think we are a number of seasons away from things getting tight, and we have a shrewed CEO. If we were under cap pressure trading a ruckman for an A grade talent would be more expensive anyway.

I think we can carry all 4 for a couple more seasons, if...... one of Kreuz or hammer is tried somewhere like fwd or back. Attrition by injury is always a factor so even 3 ruckman can be short at times. I understand the frustration 1 may feel if they were not getting a go for an extended period of time (this isnt currently the case as Hammer, Jacobs and Warnock have all had injury issues fairly recently) but it is the same for a number of positions now that the club is beginning to get depth.

It is up to the coaching/development staff to have everyone pushing as hard for senior selection as possible and clubs now know that you need more than 22 players pushing for spots, particularly with younger bodies.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 3:17 pm 
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I would not trade Hampson under any circumstances. The guy will be a freak by the age of 25-27. IMHO, the one that goes, if any is















































Warnock

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 4:03 pm 
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WHAT??? 206???

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 4:43 pm 
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The best thing Kernahan has said in ages providing he didn't single out Hampson. It's about time we went the other way (aside from when we have our hand forced) in regards to trade if we were to get the right deal.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 7:07 pm 
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I'll trade Warnock for a 3rd round pick in a flash.. Sauce, Krooz and Hammer should not be touched.


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