About a hundred dollars.

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That's your opinion sticks25. You're entitled to that.

I don't agree with you and statements such as "over-rated"; imo he is "rated" and "highly regarded".
And the other statement re "Misguided" recruitment drive? What does that mean? I would define his slection as 'calculated'.


You know he's still a kid don't you?
Have you seen the highlights reel of his short stint in the AFL? See Potential?
Did you see him emulate Kreuzer in his 2nd efforts, and partner him in the ruck with gusto in 2009?
Did you enjoy tha Kreuzer and Hampson ruck combo last year?
You know Hampson has been injured all year, now just returning and is working towards winning his spot again?

Do you remember what led the Blues to select Hampson before Grigg?

Just watch this big kid develop into something special at around 23-24 yo.
In fact watch what he does this year after an injury interupted season.
He's highly rated at Carlton as well as by many many supporters.

Maybe the fact I asked for 2 first rounders may be what led you to some over rating him.
I did that because I can see an important role he will play in our premiership teams.
I don't need to be developing 2 first rounders when we already have the youngest list on the verge of playing for flags and I've got someone like Hampson already developing in readiness for an onslaught on the competiton.

I may be wrong with regards to our premiership opportunity, but it looks that way.
Pace = pressure. Everyone, including the rucks need to apply pressure, and pace Kreuzer and Hammer possess make them stand apart from the other ruck combos in the AFL imo.

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..was watching some replays from last year, and towards the end of his 'stint' before injury Hammer's tap-work was really starting to shine.. ..Jacobs is ahead, but not by much and the overall package has him behind.. ..ideally Krooz would combo with Hammer if all 4 rucks were fully fit.. ..i reckon Knockers is towards the bottom of our ruck list, even with his 206..

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Last night I caught a bit of Footy Classifieds or Talking Confidential, or whatever that @#$%&! awful show with Hutchy & Caro is called....

Anyway, not sure if this has been mentioned elsewhere, but they were talking about Carlton's ruck stocks and Hutchy said we should trade one of them if we can get our hands on a pick under #25. They played a grab of Sticks being interviewed on Triple M recently where he basically said he expects other clubs to make offers for one of our ruckman at season's end and he mentioned that another club(s) made a play for Hammer last year.

FWIW, Caro said that we should keep all 4 ruckman for depth reasons.

I hope that all 4 stay, but if a decision is reached to trade one of them - whether it be Sauce, Warnock or Hammer (we won't trade Kreuzer surely) - we better get full value...

I'd want a top #10 pick, or a ready made KP player, or a quick midfielder/defender who can win his own ball and kick well (ideally on his left foot). Ruckman have currency. If no club is willing to give up quality, I'd prefer we didn't trade any of them.

But I tend to think that we are more likely to trade Sauce or Warnock, simply because they are similar 'pure ruckman' types. Having the 2 of them on our list may not be a luxury we can afford if we want to use the trade to address other needs we have.

Hammer, although arguably not as good a footballer as the others at this stage of his career, is so unique that I'd be very disappointed if we gave him away. I imagine GC are into him, but I hope he stays because I get the feeling he will explode onto the AFL scene in the next couple of years...

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That Hammo is worth absolutely nothing! ..........Because there is no way in hell we should trade a cherry picked developing young ruckman who is the only guy around who can challenge NicNat's athleticism. I want Hammo to develop and be persevered with. If we are looking to trade ruckman, Robbie Warnock might enjoy the weather up north - doesn't meet a current need so recruitment extremely questionable, and last on first off.

Ruckmen take a while unless their name is Mathew Kruezer. I would really hate him to be jumping all over us in three years time. No way should he be traded.

I definitely don't want to trade Hampson, but surely we have to keep Warnock - he has done nothing in the 1's since he came to us, so his value has probably dropped considerably. Other clubs will question what has led us to get rid of him, so will hardly offer top doller

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The only one of the four we should even consider trading is Warnock...the others are young and will all be gun players....Warnock is under the pump to prove his worth by years end I reckon...if not I am sure we can get back what we gave away for him...

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At this stage 206 is easily at the bottom of our 4 rucks, based on how much I'd like to keep each one on our list

I think It's
Kreuz
Hammer
Sauce
Warnock

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I saw that. Hutchy was talking specifically about Hampson when he mentioned that we should 'jump at anything under pick 25'.
Pick 25 in a compromised draft for a guy we got with a higher pick than that, who has been developing on our list and looks like he could be anything. Yeah, ok Hutchy you moron

My preference would be not to trade any of them. I remember when we traded Porter because we were apparently blessed with such rucking depth, that one turned our real well (yes I know Ports didn't go on to great heights at North, but I felt he was on the road to becoming a very good player for us, better for the team than overrated, overpaid Allan, but that's another story...)

However, if one wants more opportunity and we just have to trade one, i would probably say trading Warnock might sound like the right move, but trading Jacobs is probably a better move. He will have much more currency, and later on I can see Warnock possibly becoming a better player. Not knocking Sauce, and i'd love to keep him, but the general view out there is that he is coming on really well and Warnock is a spud, so at least we could get something good for him. Definite no to trading Hampson (and Kreuzer, obviously).

..honestly, i understand that eventually we're gonna see a ruck leave.. ..they'll each deserve senior games, simple as that.. ..but for me, even though it's mostly been this year, Knockers is on the bottom rung, by a bit too.. ..he's a little soft hey..?.. ..i dunno, does try hard and goes ok with the smothers but he seems to lack something, at least when compared to the others.. ..and thats the point, 206 will be a good ruck, we just have better.. ..Hammer's my ideal 2nd ruck to Krooz, Sauce for depth.. ..if the price is right, i can see it happening and i can live with it if it's Knockers.. ..will be a little dissappointed if it's Sauce but happy to see him get regular games elsewhere.. ..ultimately though with all fit krooz and hammer get senior games for mine.. ..no way hammer's going anywhere..

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ridiculous thread.

Unless we can get a pavlich, roughhead or franklin for a straight swap there will be no trade, and that's no going to happen so he wont (shouldn't) be going anywhere.

It's Hammer time !!

Coad released from Intensive care, after Hammer smashed him

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Fault my logic if you may......

1. GC need a decent young ruckman (talent + long term potential + ready to go right now)
2. They have AFL endorsement to go hunting for recruits and they have the cash to pay so they will succeed somewhere
3. They will surely target a team who appears to have talented young ruckmen who are not getting a game
4. We have 4 ruckmen all with talent and all young and all developing and all capable of playing at AFL level right now. All 4 would be perfect fits for GC.
5. Given that we have 4 there will probably be 2 not getting a game at any given time.
6. A young ruckman with great potential who could get a game at most clubs is not going to be content playing in the Ants as our SECOND reserve.

Therefore

6. GC WILL target us for a ruck recruit

If we are going to be smart about this;

7. we need to make sure we get maximum compensation when (not if) we lose someone
8. the AFL formula for compensation is going to reflect a number of indicators such as B+F scores and games played.
9. we need to identify the ruckman who we see as being the least likely to be part of the premiership solution
10. We need to do everything we can do to maximise the compensation we will get for that individual when he leaves.

In summary. Sauce is great but would probably be the one we would be most willing to lose. GC will come looking and we need to be ready to let him go. The smart way of doing that is to ensure we get the most for him when he goes. Therefore we play Sauce all year.

By the way, having Kreuz, Hammer and 206 running around in full flight would be like having Sandilands, Alistair Lynch(or any other goalsquare marking machine), and Cox in the same side. With Gibbs/Murphy moving the ball around between them it's a beautiful thought.

Trade Sauce for a top 20 pick and draft or rookie a young ruckman.
We can't keep all 4. They all want game time

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Not just that but TPP also comes into play. No use having 4 rucks on decent contracts. Its a waste. At the moment you would imagine Sauce would be looking for an upgrade at his next contract.
3 and a rookie would be a good balance.

Shame because they all look like good players.

Warnock has played only about 25 games of footy due to injury.
Meanwhile Hampson/Jacobs have been playing a lot more matches in VFL even, if they are the same age.
This is the first year in 3 years that Warnock has played football consistently. You cant actually improve as footballer sitting on the sidelines for two years.

Last thing Carlton would do is get rid of Warnock, when they did a bit to get him in the first place. He is also very green due to lack of game time due to injury.

CFC gave JR about 6-7 years to improve as a footballer, l doubt they wouldn't give Warnock time.

Warnock/Kruzer are our future ruck man. Hampson should be a forward IMO.
Jacobs would be a backup ruckman.

This is the fault. If you added up the number of weeks since we traded for Warnock that all 4 have been available, you could probably still count it on one hand. The current situation is abnornal. Normal is for one to be injured. Which means that normally we're only one ruck injury away from having Setanta rucking which would throw out our entire structure.

I can't fault the logic that we may not be able to retain them all, but we should try.

This is also faulty logic. The AFL's compensation scheme for uncontracted players lost to GC is not intended to be generous. And our capacity to artificially inflate Jacobs' value under it in a single season is fairly limited I would have thought. We can't turn a rookie pick into a first rounder, we can't retrospectively award him 3 best and fairests, or add 150 games to his tally. And lets be realistic, he's not going to finish in the top 5 of our best and fairest even if he is giving admirable service this season. Those of the sorts of figures that are going to meaningfully influence the compensation under the AFL's formula. Remember they're still talking about a late first round pick for Ablett. A Jacobs who has played 4 games vs a Jacobs who has played maybe 15 is going to be much of a muchness.

And if as you suggest, we rate Jacobs the least of our rucks, why we would actively undermine our premiership chances this season by playing him in place of preferred rucks to maybe increase his value from a late fourth round pick to a late third round, is not clear. I think the reality is much simpler. Hammer has been injured, they had a look at Warnock and then he got pushed out by Jacobs. If Hampson's form commands it, he'll be back in the firsts within a month I expect.

The Warnock trade was a mistake, why give up two draft choices to fill a need that doesn't exist. Why recruit a 'developing' ruckman when you have three others at the same or slightly advanced stage. And Warnock certainly doesn't deserve the development time JR got. JR was a draftee, Warnock is a high price import and as such he needs to deliver something more than being second ruck in the 2s. You can't seriously think he will be given 7 years development time. He's 23. He'll be ready for the seniors at the time he retires. The whole thing was flawed. He is not a bad ruckman, but we have three better than him. If we only had Big K, then sure, recruit Warnock, but it was a wasteful exercise given Hammo and Sauce seem to have as much or more upside and are a year and a half younger. We were fooled by the '206'. That's actually not exceptionally tall for a ruckman. Our other three are 201 or thereabouts, and can actually get off the ground.

Also the reason he hasn't had a lot of senior experience either here or at Freeo is only partly due to injury, he has spent a lot of time in the 2s because of form.

He is an okay ruckman, but he offers nothing the others don't. He can't take any pressure off the others while they develop and 4 rucks won't stay at a club for long if 2 of them are consistently playing seconds. He is on a long expensive contract so maybe we offload a better ruckman because we get a better deal, and we are not stuck paying half an inflated wage. Let's just hope his contract is heavily performance based. He should have joined his brother at Melbourne. The Dees need a second ruck. He would have got a regular game, and they too are an up and coming side.

One "proble" is the ages
Hammer 22
Kruze 21
Jacobs 22
Warnock 23

If we are to have 4 ruckmen on the list we should have them at different stages of their development...a couple of senior (established)...one reasonable back up who looks like they can step up and one developing.

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So you rank Hampson equal to Franklin,Roughead and Pavlich, now that is just crazy.