Yeah and I reckon its about time we at least compete even if we are not at our best...we get put off our game far too easily IMO...yes Hawthorn came at us right from the start but instead of responding and hitting back with some hard tackling we went to water as we too often do...the worry is not the loss....its the way we lose..

and by this I mean look at the filth losing on friday night...they played crap they turned the ball over so many times they made our performance today look slick yet they kept at it and got back into the game and still had a chance of pinching it late in the last...we are very rarely able to change momentum in games where we don't start well...we lack mental toughness...players fault? MC's? Not sure but as a club we need to find the answers....

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I sometimes think that some of the posters here expect us to win all 22 games.
Who ever does that?

Hawthorn were well on today and we just had to many players having an off day to
be able to cope, (plus a bit of bad luck with injuries). Some of our turnovers were
heartbreakers - and they came from blokes like Judd and Murphy. It happens.

There were some significant positives : Jacob's really looked the goods - some great
contested marks. Best game I've seen Henderson play, (geez he actually can mark).
Others may disagree but it was the best game I've seen Anderson play too - I'd stick with
him.

My main negative was Thorton. I'm not sure what his role is but he's not winning many
one on one's, regularly hold's us up coming out of defense and turns it over a bit. I think
he's lost confidence this year. Problem is I don't know who else we've got who's healthy.

Caption?


From: http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/4311/newsid/94877/default.aspx





My suggestion:

'Pick the smartarse.'

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Until each team plays each other the same number of times, the AFL, as a fair dinkum competition, cannot be taken seriously.

He (Mr Swann) said the honour and pride associated with the club's traditional navy blue jumper was priceless.

If there weren't many post-mortems after a heavy loss then I'd be worried. It's just that there seems to be a frustrating pattern to our losses.

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The writing was on the wall in regards to this loss today. Hawthorn with their best team in for the year was going to click at some stage and with us coming in with key players missing didn't help. Also on the back of two fantastic wins against the Saints and Power i suspected we would be flat as a pancake. Having the second youngenst list in the AFL unfortunately we are going to have these sort of perfomances from time to time.
Watch the intensity lift next week against the West Coast. All is not lost we will be 7-4 at the halfway mark of the season.

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Don't get me started.
He and Eddie stopped all the momentum and therefore any chance we had of winning this game. As a leader of the team, you do not miss set shots from 20 metres in front when the team is looking to capitalise and you do not play on from within the square when surrounded by opposition supporters.

I think perspective is the biggest thing required from a few that have the knives out after each loss. Yes, a disappointing collective effort but we were certainly due a poor one - since Essendon*, the output has been pretty solid/consistent against strong opposition (and two interstate trips) in the main. We're 5-4 and, quite frankly, we (the supporters that is) should be pretty satisfied. The coaching staff obviously don't have that luxury and will point out the errors (there's plenty to learn - i.e. when to play on and when not to) but as members of this club, giving bronx cheers to a 19 year-old in the first quarter of his first game back in the ones is, to be honest, a disgrace - we can learn a little bit too, we all have our off weeks.

It was obvious from the start that the legs simply weren't there - the cumulative effect of playing 2 down last week and losing players today before half-time is tough to underestimate - the Hawks had double the number of rotations for us over the course of the day - that has a pretty significant impact - I think we still lose if we stay fit but its probably a little more respectable on the scoreboard.

In terms of the list/injuries, anyone suggesting that a team in the AFL (other than potentially Geelong but does anyone recall their loss v Brisbane in 2009?) minus 6-7 of the best 22 will not be substantially hampered is having a laugh. Bower, Walker, Waite, Houlihan, McClean (on rep), Lucas were not out there today and we struggled - that can't be a surprise. Not only is it a matter of quality but it's a question of team structure, players knowing their role and being confident in other players' movements.

From my perspective, the positives I took out of the game came from two guys that were brought in this week - Henderson and Robinson - both were very impressive in the 3rd quarter and almost got us back in the game. Anderson was also OK. So give 'em a rest - the collective effort to run/block/etc was the biggest problem today, the lack of quality was shown up because of it. Provided the carnage stops, I'm confident we'll put together a solid month of wins.

p.s. the holding the ball rule has become an absolute joke - totally agree with posters on the issue - my pet hate is the apparent automatic free kick if you pin one arm in the tackle, prior oppotunity is just forgotten in those cases when, if both arms had been pinned, the call would be for a bounce - just a joke - where is that interpretation written in the rule books???

Um....it's Kerr, isn't it?

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*thud*

ok here are my two cents...

to those people who started the 'can we win the flag' and 'how many wins in a row' threads, you must be taking the pi$$.

While a disappointing loss it wont burn as much as say, the Essendon* game, as we had quite a few boys out today. Not to mention the early injuries hurting our rotations and gameplan.

I would like some feedback on why some of our boys feel the need to handball to very senior players, ie judd, scotto etc, when they are under extreme pressure, or running into traffic, and also why the boys call for the ball in this situation?? ruined us on at least 5 occasions today

And Carlos. PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD when you take a big contested mark in the friggin goalsquare go back an kick it. 5 METRES OUT!

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Losing 1 in 3 would give us 14-15 wins for year. Yeah, I'd take that 'mess' in 2009 give one of the younger lists, a post Fev re-structure, a Bowerless, Waiteless and Walkerless first half of the season.

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"finally what?????"
Which other team could also cover 1/3 of their best 22 injured. Depth was not the probleme today. We saw it in the 3rd quarter with two players benched. Why couldn't we play that sort of footy from the start. Their "heads" were the problem today, not depth

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We were smashed well before the game. Great sides play every week as though they're the underdogs. We do not know how to play as favourites.

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Observations

* 155 rotations to 90 is gunna hurt
* Guerra belted Garlett all F*$King Day and the umpires just watched it
* Hawthorn were primed and we were flat
* Waite should publicly apologise
* AJ beat Rioli
* Sauce came of age
* Betts is NOT a lead up forward
* Setanta needs to be told to stop and shoot within range
* The days of our defenders just wanting the ball out of the area are gone
* Bret Thornton is gone when numbers permit
* 3rd man in when the ball is in dispute on the ground, should give away a free. All they did today is lay the knees in.
* Learning that you have to play 4 quarters not just 1 quarter will do us good.
* We will know we've arrived when players who consistently turn the ball over don't get a game. We're not there yet.
* I have no idea who will replace White, Johnson and Yarran .
* I'd play Austin next week. Eagles have Kennedy, Lynch and McKinley
* Hurry back Houla, Walker, Bower, Mclean, Lucas and Waite
* Should win 6 of the next 7

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Some of the decision making was very poor. Why handball to a flat footed bloke with a Hawthorn player 5 metres off. Their tackling was far superior to ours.

Would have loved to have seen Sugar Lucas's midfield run out there today.
We need that extra midfield runner and we need a tall defender now that White is out. Would have even welcomed an 80% effort from Houlihan out there.

The foot passing in the first five minutes was ordinary - could tell we were off the pace in that first five minutes.

If ever a game indicated that our recruiting policy needs to target some more key position players it was this one. To paraphrase a great point by Tim Watson. Öur game is too reliant on run off half back by Walker, Bower & Lucas. They create quick transition for Garlett, Betts and Yarran. When they get injured our scoring options dry up. We don't have the big key forwards to provide that alternative, so when the ball moves slowly garlett, yarran and to an extent betts are limited. We also are a big backman short to play on Roughead, Franklin, Brown,Dawes & Cloke. They beat us every time

Lucas?

We've been struggling to replace the Dominator for a little while now.

I'm sure if we had the choice of Bower, Jamo, Walker, White, Waite and Thornton we'd have them covered (and throw in Setanta and Hendo as options too).

...Yes, I included Thornton.

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#GUILTY

this loss stings because of the opposition, but i'm at peace with the 'why?'....

we are not good enough (yet), to win 6 games in a row - i expect us to win the next 3.
having to sustain that type of intensity in big game after big game over the past 5 weeks, it's just hardcore.
especially with a such a chunk of inexperienced players.

we are a team on the improve, not the best in the league.

i'm positive we'll bounce back next week.


and for useless trivia sake, my bag has not been checked at the entry of etihad stadium since the middle of the 07 season.
not that there's anything in my bag that should not be there, i just can't believe i walk straight pass every time.....

security needs to improve - carlton is.


go blues.