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PostPosted: Sun May 23, 2010 8:24 pm 
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But while watching I kept on thinking that Waite stupidity last week also cost us...



Just as Judd's absence may have cost us against the scum...

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PostPosted: Sun May 23, 2010 8:25 pm 
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Tell me they contributed and I am in massive doubt over the recruitiment policy at the CFC.



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PostPosted: Sun May 23, 2010 8:26 pm 
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Effes wrote:
J&TK as much as we want it the MC can't just flick a switch and mentally get the players switched on. It is the players responsibility to be in the right frame of mind.

You could tell in the first 5 minutes that we hadn't turned up to play and the Hawks came with the right attitude and gameplan to make our day very difficult.

We like throwing the ball around at half back to free someone up and move it forward quickly. They swiftly shut us down on the mark with the way they jumped up and down and crept over the mark without giving 50 away. They flooded the wing/centre of the ground so we couldn't move the ball through there with any flow. They also had players on the other side of the ground so that we couldn't switch the ball.

However for all this to fall into place they needed their workrate to be right up there and it was. Compare it to our workrate which was very poor for most of the first half. So tactically we couldn't cope with the way the Hawks setup and in terms of the actual contest we didn't have the hunger or desperation to force them into errors.

Unfortunately we will still have games like today while we are a young team and also when we can't cope with certain styles of play. Collingwood squeezed us up through the middle of the ground and we gave the ball up...similar thing happened today. When it's a shootout and we turn up to play we will most likely win more than we lose.

Can I just add the criticism of Henderson is completely ridiculous; it just highlights once more how fast supporters are to write off young key forwards who haven't the strength/engine/experience to dominate games.

You would think given the countless examples of key forwards in their past needing time to develop that supporters would learn...surely the concept of them needing more time isn't that difficult to understand?


I reckon it is a good excuse to use very time we lose...the old we didn't turn up line....yeah sometimes teams are switched on and sometimes not but surely players can be up to at least competing....being second to the ball all day is what exactly??? Laziness? Either you look to the MC to get players up and if assume its not their role then we simply have avery lazy bunch of players to be honest...esp thru the middle..

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PostPosted: Sun May 23, 2010 8:26 pm 
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You can't blame injuries for losses because list depth is all apart of being a top team. It's clear that we don't have it, we just don't have the depth to cover 1/3 of our best 22 injuried.


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PostPosted: Sun May 23, 2010 8:28 pm 
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I am taking it as an abberation & nothing more

If we play like this once every three weeks then we need to trade ourselves out of this mess as the bottom half of the list will not be worth persisting with.


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PostPosted: Sun May 23, 2010 8:28 pm 
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Pafloyul wrote:
blue4 wrote:
Tell me they contributed and I am in massive doubt over the recruitiment policy at the CFC.



Shsssh...you'll get me started!


No doubt like a 30 year old Victor lawnmower :grin:

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PostPosted: Sun May 23, 2010 8:30 pm 
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Andain wrote:
You can't blame injuries for losses because list depth is all apart of being a top team. It's clear that we don't have it, we just don't have the depth to cover 1/3 of our best 22 injuried.


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PostPosted: Sun May 23, 2010 8:35 pm 
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Andain wrote:
You can't blame injuries for losses because list depth is all apart of being a top team. It's clear that we don't have it, we just don't have the depth to cover 1/3 of our best 22 injuried.


I'm not sure list depth helps on match day when you have two in the 'dugout' well before half time and Yazz with a hip injury just before three quarter time. I strongly doubt it had anything to do with the loss but I suspect it would have had something to do with the size of the losing margin.

Teams like the Blues are still a 10-6 (ladder position) team list wise so injuries to our better players are always going to take its toll over a season.

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PostPosted: Sun May 23, 2010 8:36 pm 
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We were smashed well before half time.


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PostPosted: Sun May 23, 2010 8:38 pm 
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Andain wrote:
You can't blame injuries for losses because list depth is all apart of being a top team. It's clear that we don't have it, we just don't have the depth to cover 1/3 of our best 22 injuried.


We'll just blur the issue by saying that it happens with other teams as well. It does happen with other teams but we are particularly vulnerable and, perhaps, think we are further along than we are.

I'll give them until next year with the 'young side' chant, which is fair enough but one thing I want to stop now is this talk of 'having the talent to beat any side'. Next year those naturally conflicting statements should be aligned otherwise it's bollocks or something must be amiss behind the scenes.

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PostPosted: Sun May 23, 2010 8:43 pm 
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can someone please tell me what constitutes holding the ball these days, because i have no flowering idea!!


The inconsistency in its application is a disgrace and that went both ways today.

The decision against Scotland at the Lockett end in the third quarter was mind boggling. I was sitting in that forward pocket and he had no chance at all.

Cheers to the Carlton supporter who launched into a verbal attack on the umpire just after that.

Pity it was the boundary umpire :lol:

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PostPosted: Sun May 23, 2010 8:45 pm 
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Pafloyul wrote:
Andain wrote:
You can't blame injuries for losses because list depth is all apart of being a top team. It's clear that we don't have it, we just don't have the depth to cover 1/3 of our best 22 injuried.


We'll just blur the issue by saying that it happens with other teams as well. It does happen with other teams but we are particularly vulnerable and, perhaps, think we are further along than we are.

I'll give them until next year with the 'young side' chant, which is fair enough but one thing I want to stop now is this talk of 'having the talent to beat any side'. Next year those naturally conflicting statements should be aligned otherwise it's bollocks or something must be amiss behind the scenes.


We're young...we are developing....we need time.. :cool:

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PostPosted: Sun May 23, 2010 8:46 pm 
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PostPosted: Sun May 23, 2010 8:48 pm 
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Cazzesman wrote:
Andain wrote:
You can't blame injuries for losses because list depth is all apart of being a top team. It's clear that we don't have it, we just don't have the depth to cover 1/3 of our best 22 injuried.


I'm not sure list depth helps on match day when you have two in the 'dugout' well before half time and Yazz with a hip injury just before three quarter time. I strongly doubt it had anything to do with the loss but I suspect it would have had something to do with the size of the losing margin.

Teams like the Blues are still a 10-6 (ladder position) team list wise so injuries to our better players are always going to take its toll over a season.

Regards Cazzesman

The game was over well before half time. I'm not saying the replacements didn't try or didn't have their positive moments but the team dymnatic was badly effected today. Something was seriously wrong with the attitude of the team and with more kids in the team than usual we didn't have the leaders on the field to arrest that apathy and turn it around. It's disappointing because at our best we can beat anyone. To beat Geelong and St Kilda, yet lose to Essendon* and Hawthorn... :cry:

Oh well, looks like you're right. We are a 6-10 team list, and that's a bitter pill to take after beating the Saints and Geelong.


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PostPosted: Sun May 23, 2010 8:54 pm 
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From CFC's 'Ask Andrew Carrazzo':

http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/yoursay/blogarticle/tabid/8600/newsid/94851/default.aspx
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David MacDonald - 4:59 PM Sunday, 23 May 2010What the hell was that?


Why are we so good against the Cats & Saints but absolute crap against the Hawks, Bombers & Magpies?


Can't we just have a consistent run of wins for a change?


My answer is the coach can not keep the team up. If that's the case then he has to go.



Kristian - 4:49 PM Sunday, 23 May 2010Where did we go wrong this time?

michael - 4:29 PM Sunday, 23 May 2010My question, when are Carlton going to play with heart week by week instead of when they feel like it.

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PostPosted: Sun May 23, 2010 8:55 pm 
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Cazzesman wrote:
Pafloyul wrote:
blue4 wrote:
Tell me they contributed and I am in massive doubt over the recruitiment policy at the CFC.



Shsssh...you'll get me started!


No doubt like a 30 year old Victor lawnmower :grin:

Regards Cazzesman


I can only run as well as you mugs let me run. :cry:

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PostPosted: Sun May 23, 2010 8:57 pm 
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Boy I'm sure Carrots is glad he drew the short straw for this week :lol:

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PostPosted: Sun May 23, 2010 8:58 pm 
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Has anyone taken into consideration the Hawks did a superb job at stopping our strengths today? The tackling and rotations rattled us and we never recovered.


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PostPosted: Sun May 23, 2010 9:00 pm 
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I think we need to tell Setanta to go back and have a shot everytime he marks inside 50, regardless of if he kicks 0.5 for the day. And we have to tell the three amigoe not to run past him for the handball whenever he marks. Cause one of them won't be able to help themselves.

Does anyone use the ball worse off the HFF than Carrazo? seriously?.


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PostPosted: Sun May 23, 2010 9:00 pm 
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Well well well.... This loss has created more controvesy than Akers article... :eek: :eek:
Wonder how the Coach thread is going :roll:
Who are we delisting this week :yikes: Again...

Just to put this loss in perspective (my perspective ) If at the start of the year you looked at this game and thought Hawthorn at there best and us at our best who would you tip. I would of tipped hawthorn...
That said, because we've shown something and they're shown little we are all bitterly disappointed.
People we lost to a better team on the day. They planned well and once we fell away with Rotations they were able to maximise.

Its not the end of the world..... We are still looking at finals and to be realistic thats what we're cooking this year. Can't you smell it?
2011 is when we start serving dinners..... And with any luck three course meals....

Lets not lose sight of where we are at, and what our true expectations are.... for this year anyway.....

Not the end of the road, its not as if St Kilda or Collingwood are going to win the flag this year... :thumbsup:

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