Disagree.

But still should win 'em.

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THEY LIKE TO SEND UP!!!!!!!!

Until each team plays each other the same number of times, the AFL, as a fair dinkum competition, cannot be taken seriously.

He (Mr Swann) said the honour and pride associated with the club's traditional navy blue jumper was priceless.

Anyone in mind Rafa?

Who did Army play on and what did his opponent do?
Who did Ando play on and what did his opponent do?
Who did White play on and what did his opponent do before he went off injured?

Regards Cazzesman

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Ricky Gervais - “Everyone has the right to hold whatever beliefs they want. And everyone else has the right to find those beliefs f***ing ridiculous.”

My first up game after arriving from overseas for a few weeks...and I must say we were terrible.

Even before the injuries took their toll we were gone already...just lazy through the midfield too much left to Judd who I'm not surprised had an off day today....can't blame him. Mentally we are still an amatuer show and have a long way to go before we get even remotely close to top four.

Too inconsistent too often for far too long now...the MC really have to focus on this issue...getting the boys up week after week to at least compete (win or lose) we need to be able to compete...and to be honest whilst the hawks pressured well they are nothing flash and a better side would have run away to much bigger winning margin when we were down to 19 men by the end...

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"Truth, for the tyrants, is the most terrible and cruel of all bindings; it is like an incandescent iron falling across their chests. And it is even more agonizing than hot iron, for that only burns the flesh, while truth burns its way into the soul"     — Lauro Aguirre

That makes no logical sense at all.

Weak effort from the boys today. You could tell in the opening minute we weren't there to play. Wish they'd told us before the game that they weren't going to bother... at least then I wouldn't have wasted my day going to the game.

White was actually a big loss when he went off. He was putting himself into the hole to cut off the long balls, once off we lost that ability for T-Bird and White to zone off and support each other and Jamo.

Yeah it was a shockin game and alot were playing below there best or even decent standards....
BUT
the quicker we get the likes of Thornton, Ando & Johnson out of our backline the better, they seem to not have the same understanding of the gameplan down back that we are tryin to develop...

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The climbing has alread began

If you think they contributed then we definitely need new scouts.

Blue4 you highlighted 3 players - care to answer Cazz's questions about their opponents?

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“It is a state of mind, a system of belief, a way of seeing the world, a deep faith that, because you are Carlton, you belong to something great.” - Mike Fitzpatrick articulating what Out of the Blue means.

Please don't give Blue4 any hints Raf. I'd like to see if he actually has any idea or just changes feet.

Regards Cazzesman

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Ricky Gervais - “Everyone has the right to hold whatever beliefs they want. And everyone else has the right to find those beliefs f***ing ridiculous.”

J&TK as much as we want it the MC can't just flick a switch and mentally get the players switched on. It is the players responsibility to be in the right frame of mind.

You could tell in the first 5 minutes that we hadn't turned up to play and the Hawks came with the right attitude and gameplan to make our day very difficult.

We like throwing the ball around at half back to free someone up and move it forward quickly. They swiftly shut us down on the mark with the way they jumped up and down and crept over the mark without giving 50 away. They flooded the wing/centre of the ground so we couldn't move the ball through there with any flow. They also had players on the other side of the ground so that we couldn't switch the ball.

However for all this to fall into place they needed their workrate to be right up there and it was. Compare it to our workrate which was very poor for most of the first half. So tactically we couldn't cope with the way the Hawks setup and in terms of the actual contest we didn't have the hunger or desperation to force them into errors.

Unfortunately we will still have games like today while we are a young team and also when we can't cope with certain styles of play. Collingwood squeezed us up through the middle of the ground and we gave the ball up...similar thing happened today. When it's a shootout and we turn up to play we will most likely win more than we lose.

Can I just add the criticism of Henderson is completely ridiculous; it just highlights once more how fast supporters are to write off young key forwards who haven't the strength/engine/experience to dominate games.

You would think given the countless examples of key forwards in their past needing time to develop that supporters would learn...surely the concept of them needing more time isn't that difficult to understand?

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"You are being watched. The government has a secret system. A machine that spies on you every hour of every day. I know because I built it." - Finch

Who Ran Hooper, Osborne & Brown that ran rings around them?

Where Ando had to move on a bigger opponent?

I answer to what i want to answer to ok mate

You can't have that many players playing purely negating roles because it leaves too few to actually win the game for us. Anyway, lack of depth and intestinal fortitude are the main concerns. I don't think it's something that can be taught with some of them. Some teams may field a side with less innate talent but have the structure in place to be able to get the most out of themselves. Perhaps a call should be made on one or two players who are actually decent enough in their own way, just so we can address the imbalance.

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Just because I'm offended, doesn't mean I'm wrong.

Should read "the pattern and result was set by Judd in the first 5 mins".
His disposal was deplorable......in fact his disposal is overrated...full stop. Sure he's a gun, but his skills are not elite, as they are made out to be. Ablett has him well and truly covered in that area.

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I see you watching me watching you.

No issue with Hendo's endeavour - sure he looks lost out there sometimes but his effort and nouse is ok.

Ando & White not good enuff.

Yep, just changing feet. Never in doubt.

Regards Cazzesman

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Ricky Gervais - “Everyone has the right to hold whatever beliefs they want. And everyone else has the right to find those beliefs f***ing ridiculous.”

Agree Cazzesman.
Ando actually gave us some spark/drive today,especially during the third qrt. Not sure how anyone can have a go at White today and Army certainly wasn`t our worst.

Tell me they contributed and I am in massive doubt over the recruitiment policy at the CFC.

I guess these players have never played sport before.

Losing White and Johnson (esp. the Johnson that played last week) so early put us severely behind eight-ball. But while watching I kept on thinking that Waite stupidity last week also cost us - Hendo played a great game but Waite had not been suspended he could have been playing off half-back.

Part of the reason our game plan wasn't executed today (apart from the Dawks pressure) was that with no Bower, no Walker, no Lucas and then no White we just didn't have any run out of the backline.

Now the biggest what-if for the day, Carlos stands still and decides to take a shot from half a metre out we go into 3/4 time with all the momentum and less than 4 goals down..... grrrrrr

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Carlton - Nothing's changed
I still love you, oh, I still love you
Only slightly, only slightly less
Than I used to, my love