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 Post subject: Re: Rd 9: Pros and Cons
PostPosted: Sun May 23, 2010 7:29 pm 
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Henderson 3rd quarter

CON
Henderson's 1st, 2nd and 4th quarters

Those 3 goals and 2 good marks saved him, but jesus he's got a long way to go. When you are at the game rather than watching it on TV it is obvious he doesnt know where to run, makes stupid errors, doesnt chase hard enough or stick tackles, and falls over far too often. I'd say those 3 goals today made him about break even for the day considering the errors and lack of defensive pressure. You need to watch him off the ball to realise he's still quite a liability.

Probably a bit harsh in the aftermath of a bad loss.


Not probably more like a certainty.

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 Post subject: Re: Rd 9: Pros and Cons
PostPosted: Sun May 23, 2010 7:30 pm 
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Cazzesman wrote:

Did the Hawks look like a team who had been struggling today? They had been underperforming but it didn't mean they didn't have a playing list that is better than they have shown.

It wasn't meant to be a cop out. But when you watch a game like that you can see what the issues are and probably why.

Our mental toughness is not where is should be at this stage. Fact of life and only more game time, more experience and more pre-seasons why fix it.

We are no different to any AFL team. Look at StKilda today. They got smashed two weeks in a row and today they are back. The Pies were on fire and they got well beaten. It happens. To think we are immune to such lapses if just silly. I'm not happy either with the result but I can understand the reasons behind it.

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Rational posts will get you nowhere around here Mr C :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Rd 9: Pros and Cons
PostPosted: Sun May 23, 2010 7:33 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Rd 9: Pros and Cons
PostPosted: Sun May 23, 2010 7:33 pm 
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Cmon Rick J your assessment of hendo is really harsh -kicked 3 goals one - took 2 of the only a handfull of contested marks on the forward line -brown was playing on him -and the whole team kicked 8 goals and garlett yarran betts and setanta didnt kick goals -he was good in the first quarter moved well Setanta sold him into trouble for his fist shoyt at goal -setanta should have nailed it - moved well to take mark before siren kicked ordinary then but who didnt today
He also played in defence for some of the second as we were under siege
Surely henderson was our best forward today on a day that entries into forward 50 were diabolical


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 Post subject: Re: Rd 9: Pros and Cons
PostPosted: Sun May 23, 2010 7:37 pm 
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Well not much to be excited about really. Have we got better or worse

Lost by a couple points last year and dawks and lose by 50 this game.

Got so smashed in the midfield.

Atleast bower, waite and houlihan will be back soon


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 Post subject: Re: Rd 9: Pros and Cons
PostPosted: Sun May 23, 2010 7:46 pm 
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frank dardew wrote:
Cmon Rick J your assessment of hendo is really harsh -kicked 3 goals one - took 2 of the only a handfull of contested marks on the forward line -brown was playing on him -and the whole team kicked 8 goals and garlett yarran betts and setanta didnt kick goals -he was good in the first quarter moved well Setanta sold him into trouble for his fist shoyt at goal -setanta should have nailed it - moved well to take mark before siren kicked ordinary then but who didnt today
He also played in defence for some of the second as we were under siege
Surely henderson was our best forward today on a day that entries into forward 50 were diabolical


In my opinion Henderson was far far from our worst and in the top half of our players on the ground. But those two early misses were inexcusable at a critical point in the game but were compensated for by an excellent third quarter. I am not happy with his work off the ball, in his judgement, and in his football smarts. He got towelled up when moved to defence. I am just making the point that even one of our better players today had 3/4 very ordinary quarters of football.

You are probably right I am being a bit harsh on the kid. He certainly has earned his spot but I am not sure about him in our best team.


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 Post subject: Re: Rd 9: Pros and Cons
PostPosted: Sun May 23, 2010 7:52 pm 
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Navy Blue Horse wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:

Did the Hawks look like a team who had been struggling today? They had been underperforming but it didn't mean they didn't have a playing list that is better than they have shown.

It wasn't meant to be a cop out. But when you watch a game like that you can see what the issues are and probably why.

Our mental toughness is not where is should be at this stage. Fact of life and only more game time, more experience and more pre-seasons why fix it.

We are no different to any AFL team. Look at StKilda today. They got smashed two weeks in a row and today they are back. The Pies were on fire and they got well beaten. It happens. To think we are immune to such lapses if just silly. I'm not happy either with the result but I can understand the reasons behind it.

Regards Cazzesman


Rational posts will get you nowhere around here Mr C :wink:


Point taken and I do understood. But as I mentioned in an earlier post (game day thread perhaps), it is the manner in which we lost that bothers me.

Blind freddy knew the Hawks would throw everything at us today and we weren't ready, mentally and physically. We had a golden opportunity to stay in the top rungs of the ladder. We simply didn't turn up to play and whilst that can be mitigated, doesn't mean it is acceptable. At least not to me.

I certainly hope we can bounce back this week. Let's see what we are made of.

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 Post subject: Re: Rd 9: Pros and Cons
PostPosted: Sun May 23, 2010 7:55 pm 
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RickJ wrote:
frank dardew wrote:
Cmon Rick J your assessment of hendo is really harsh -kicked 3 goals one - took 2 of the only a handfull of contested marks on the forward line -brown was playing on him -and the whole team kicked 8 goals and garlett yarran betts and setanta didnt kick goals -he was good in the first quarter moved well Setanta sold him into trouble for his fist shoyt at goal -setanta should have nailed it - moved well to take mark before siren kicked ordinary then but who didnt today
He also played in defence for some of the second as we were under siege
Surely henderson was our best forward today on a day that entries into forward 50 were diabolical


In my opinion Henderson was far far from our worst and in the top half of our players on the ground. But those two early misses were inexcusable at a critical point in the game but were compensated for by an excellent third quarter. I am not happy with his work off the ball, in his judgement, and in his football smarts. He got towelled up when moved to defence. I am just making the point that even one of our better players today had 3/4 very ordinary quarters of football.

You are probably right I am being a bit harsh on the kid. He certainly has earned his spot but I am not sure about him in our best team.


Supporters said the same thing about big Josh in his 1st few years. Now look at him. How many 20 yr olds who have played only 20+ games are dominating CHF in AFL teams? He has so much to learn and so much to get right but the fact is the kid is always presenting and always on the move. He is a mere baby so please cut him some slack. Out of all the players today he is one of the least to deserve a negative post.

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 Post subject: Re: Rd 9: Pros and Cons
PostPosted: Sun May 23, 2010 7:58 pm 
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MPH78 wrote:

I certainly hope we can bounce back this week. Let's see what we are made of.


I agree and that is where we see if our mental toughness is on the improve. :thumbsup:

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 Post subject: Re: Rd 9: Pros and Cons
PostPosted: Sun May 23, 2010 8:11 pm 
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AJ flogged Rioli.

Sauce is being added into our Master Chef winning recipe. This kid has improved 10 fold on last year around the ground.

Henderson was good, put his body on the line to create some clearances and keeping the ball in our F50.

Robbo and Scotland tried hard to kick start us.

Jamo played well and won many one on one contests, the influx of entries was too much for Buddy not to kick a few.


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 Post subject: Re: Rd 9: Pros and Cons
PostPosted: Sun May 23, 2010 8:21 pm 
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Pros:

AJ
Jacobs (esp around the ground...BUT at the bounces either average or there is no understanding with his mids)
Scotland tried hard
Actually thought Ando was ok...at least he tried to take the game on and played it down the middle...the amount of times we went wide when there were clear options thru the corridor was mind boggling to say the least
Simmo

Cons:

Just too inconsistent week to week and during games to be anything but making up the numbers again if we make the 8.
It's not just the players fault for this inconsistency.

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 Post subject: Re: Rd 9: Pros and Cons
PostPosted: Sun May 23, 2010 8:29 pm 
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PROS

The fight back in the third gave me hope; I bet it did for a lot of other Bluebaggers.
Henderson showed some very good signs; moreso than Kennedy did around the same age/games played.
AJ's job on Rioli priceless. AJ's efforts around the ground very good.
Kreuzer is a great ruck rover.
The boys have really done a great job in the last 5 weeks and deserve a pat on the back.
This is a lowpoint due to injuries and fatigue. We will not have to play 3 games in 13 days again this year.
Need to win 7 of the next 13 games to ensure we make the finals; that is still likely.
Next week WCE to look forward to. The game at the Dome today would have been a good rehearsal.

CONS

IMO the players looked fatigued for most of the day.
The misses of Setanta and Betts in the 3rd were costly
The midfield got done today. Lack of intensity.
Delivery by foot today was a real problem...everyone...literally...the whole 22.
Lost 9% from our percentage.
Waite, Bower, Walker, Houlihan, Hadley and Lucas missing due to injury.
Our list has been depleted by injury, suspension, illness and underdone players.
If noone recovers from their injuries we only have Wiggins, Brown and Kerr to replace White and Johnson next week.

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 Post subject: Re: Rd 9: Pros and Cons
PostPosted: Sun May 23, 2010 9:06 pm 
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I didn't see any of the game but listened to most of it. Just from listening it was apparent in the first 10 minutes that we weren't 'on'. That was most disappointing.

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 Post subject: Re: Rd 9: Pros and Cons
PostPosted: Sun May 23, 2010 9:09 pm 
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PROS: Coz it was such a crap game, we left early so getting out of the car park at Etihad was easy..
I can see Hendo improving bit by bit.


CONS: Coz it was such a crap game we left early :mad:

2 injuries cutting our rotations off the bench. We were knackered by the end.

I hate to say it but the umpires played a part. Now I know why their sponsor is OPSM. Next year it should be "the guide dogs of Victoria"

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 Post subject: Re: Rd 9: Pros and Cons
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Pros: We don't have to play those @%$ again in home and away
they probably won't (hopefully) make finals :?

Cons:We didn't have our best team to stick it up 'em.
we didn't smash their winning streak against us. :mad:

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 Post subject: Re: Rd 9: Pros and Cons
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Cazzesman wrote:
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Another effort next week like today and I start grilling.. reckon its an abberation...time will tell...


I'm sure the Club is living in abject fear. :roll: :roll:

Regards Cazzesman


You make quite a lot of condescending comments I notice... And no one can bag (have an opinion) on a player without you knocking them for it...

This is a supporters forum... We played a shit game and therefore supporters are making comments about it, being a supporters forum...

That's the way it is... Get over it, I think that's a fair call....

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 Post subject: Re: Rd 9: Pros and Cons
PostPosted: Sun May 23, 2010 9:32 pm 
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pros:

- hendos effort. Missed a chance or two but worked hard.
- aj. Great shut down on cyril
- robinson. Esp his 3rd quarter. Will improve.

Cons:

- took a long time to get fluency and break through their zone.
- turnovers. This is where we lost the game in the first q. Could have tried a slow play to settle perhaps.
- listening to our so called supporters diss our own players. Especially kids like hendo. Seriously i am embarrassed how little understanding some people have of the game.


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Pro:
Henderson and Jacobs. :thumbsup:
Third quarter efforts to run and get back into the game
Simpson & Murphy are elite ... there is no doubt!

Con:
Setanta, Thornton & Betts. :banghead:
Juddy .. what was that. :confused:
Last quarter fade out.


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 Post subject: Re: Rd 9: Pros and Cons
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Pros:
jacobs
henderson
aj and not much else

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Surely there isnt many games left in Brett Thornton


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No1Blue wrote:
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Another effort next week like today and I start grilling.. reckon its an abberation...time will tell...


I'm sure the Club is living in abject fear. :roll: :roll:

Regards Cazzesman


You make quite a lot of condescending comments I notice... And no one can bag (have an opinion) on a player without you knocking them for it...

This is a supporters forum... We played a shit game and therefore supporters are making comments about it, being a supporters forum...

That's the way it is... Get over it, I think that's a fair call....


That's the difference you have failed to grasp #1. Is it 'bagging' because they are an uninformed, sad sack supporter or are they having an informed opinion based on some semblance of fact.

If you post something knee jerk and reactive to a bad game then expect a comment if that's all it is.

Having blue4 suggesting to the Club they can expect a grilling if they don't improve is like me telling you that I will tear you a new one if you don't stop picking on me. It makes no sense either way and would be total BS for all concerned.

I know we played a shit game. I have stated as much myself in several threads. I have just offered an explanation as to why. My explanation may not be right and it's just my opinion. If I am right it doesn't make me or the rest of you any happier but atleast it isn't based on knee jerk reaction.

You seem to be confused about supporter forums. I can tell blue4 he is an uninformed tool just as much as he can do the same to me. Our peers will decide who makes more sense. That's just Forum life. I think that's a fair call as well.

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