Setanta's problem sometimes is that he's the anti-Fev. He's so Goddamn un-selfish that sometimes it hurts us. It's great the way he brings others into the game, particularly the little blokes at his feet. But he's also a key forward, and needs to realise that sometimes he just has to finish the job himself.

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Con: Not our day. Being there you could tell they were not on song

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We didn't deserve to win bec just like last week we weren't switched on early, it's a worrying trend if it continues. They'd want to jump out of the gate next week.

But we had a glimmer of hope only for Setanta and Betts to blow it.

Setanta should have had 2 gls for the game, and Betts should have had 3 in the 3rd Qtr. But they cokced up all 5 chances, easy as they were.

Setanta does some great things but geez, will he ever get to a stage where he eradicates the completely stupid from his game?

And Betts was terribly poor, not good enough for a player of experience in a young team. He needs to be hitting a higher level of consistency IMO.

Wayne Brittain once said every game has a moment that is telling, that defines the game. Well Betts' miss from 20m in front was that moment today. 3 gls turned to 5 gl lead. Inexcuseable.

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Fair point; and it is a valid arguement, as long as you counterbalance it with the fact that Setanta is a key position forward, and he (like any forward) relies on good midfield delivery to perform.

There's not much he can do but try when our midfield is slaughtered like it was today.

If we measure him by that yardstick, I think he gets a pass for today.

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I know it's not your intent but that's almost a cop out.

Today's performance was inexcusable. 50 points against a side that had been struggling.

Losses I can take when you know they've had a crack. Half hearted, inept efforts I cannot. Regardless of previous results.

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The delivery to Carlos in the first two quarters was deplorable. Hard to mark Sherrin's flying over your head or falling 2 metres in front.

Betts has tickets on himself.

Two weeks in a row and one of my favourites in Simpson has missed the most important of opportunities given he's now an elder statesman.

I disagree on Scotland Caz, I thought he was excellent relative to the team and ditto Carrots when you thought otherwise a few weeks ago.

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And until we achieve consistent mental toughness we wont be top 4 and we wont win a flag. But we are still one of the youngest teams - so hopefully it will come.

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Pro: 5/4

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Absolute rubbish today;

Pros
AJ
Jacobs
Robbo
Henderson's 3rd qrt.
I tipped Hawthorn



Cons
Setanta's brain fade on 3/4 time
Except for about 15 minutes of the 3rd qrt it was terrible

I thought the same thing

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Pro:
best game we've had from Hendo - he's better than Kennedy at the same stage
sauce is also turning it on
we can do a whole lot better that that - and getting some of players back on the track will help

con:
we blew a chance to join the top group of teams and now we are back in the mix.
if our experienced players are showing fatigue, how do we expect any better from the younger ones?
TV Commentators love affair with Buddeeeeee especially Bruce the Barracker

Bring on next week, we cant do that 2 weeks in a row........

PROS
-AJ seems back in good form.

-Jacobs and Henderson always having a go.

-Andy Lee and Megan Gale getting on my train at Richmond. Not a big deal itself, as Andy is a good Blues man and always at the games, but the highlight was the big burly man who suddenly became a nervous giggling fangirl at a Justin Beiber concert, at the mere sight of Andy Lee, he had to get up and did a little run and squeal. Picture a fat Barry Hall doing that.

CONS
-Consistency is a talent we are yet to develop. Great teams still get over the line when having bad days a lot of the time, we lose by 50 points.

-More injuries.

Why in blazes would Andy and Megan catch a fricking train at Richmond???

(and why the @#$%&! can't it happen when I'm on the train, instead of the smelly bogans and delusional hobos conversing with themselves I'm usually surrounded with)

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I'm sure the Club is living in abject fear.

Regards Cazzesman

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Pro

Hendo -agree Cazz works hard should have kicked 4 today - keep playing him -good future

Sauce excellent

Robbo improving needs a bit more composure

Anderson has a future

Jamo best defender

Joseph good

Cons

Made a very slow hawthorn look quick

Setanta brain fades -

Long injury list now biting -first 3 options for Buddy bower waite and walker all out -ridiculous act by waite last week last week

Arrogance of Hawthorn

Does Rhian Hooper play well against anyone else

team being flat -missing targets - hawks kicking goals from anywhere

Surprised that result wasnt coming last week

Side has to be up in the next 4 weeks to set up season

They were sitting right near me. When they were leaving a whole bay of Hawks supporters gave them both a serve. They took it well though.

Pros:
Hendo, that's the way I know he can play. Works very hard.
Sauce - really taking some good grabs.

Cons:
We were so bad in the first half we didn't deserve to be closing in on them late in the 3rd, but once we were, we blew it. Betts and Setanta just couldn't get one through the big sticks.
More injuries. Do we get to whinge about them like Hawks fans have?
Juddy wasn't great today. Can't believe the AFL website had him as our third best. Sure he had plenty of the ball, but close to his worst game in navy blue.
Today played out eerily like the Collingwood game, except against worse opposition, and with injuries to boot

PRO
Henderson 3rd quarter

CON
Henderson's 1st, 2nd and 4th quarters

Those 3 goals and 2 good marks saved him, but jesus he's got a long way to go. When you are at the game rather than watching it on TV it is obvious he doesnt know where to run, makes stupid errors, doesnt chase hard enough or stick tackles, and falls over far too often. I'd say those 3 goals today made him about break even for the day considering the errors and lack of defensive pressure. You need to watch him off the ball to realise he's still quite a liability.

Probably a bit harsh in the aftermath of a bad loss.

Did the Hawks look like a team who had been struggling today? They had been underperforming but it didn't mean they didn't have a playing list that is better than they have shown.

It wasn't meant to be a cop out. But when you watch a game like that you can see what the issues are and probably why.

Our mental toughness is not where is should be at this stage. Fact of life and only more game time, more experience and more pre-seasons will fix it.

We are no different to any AFL team. Look at StKilda today. They got smashed two weeks in a row and today they are back. The Pies were on fire and they got well beaten. It happens. To think we are immune to such lapses if just silly. I'm not happy either with the result but I can understand the reasons behind it.

Regards Cazzesman

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I don't expect anything to be written about this in the 'credible' press.

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