Dean Laidley was on radio talking about Ports loss to the Blues.

A. He watched Carltons game against the Saints live in Melbourne. Said Carlton was the BEST side he's seen all year.

B. Said they had to limit the opportunities of the indigenous boys. They did a OK job of that but the problem was our big fellas in Kreuz, Setanta & Waite all kicked goals.

Hold one area, the next steps up.

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Great post Goltz......Couldn't agree more !!!!!

Our forward line is working well but would be even better with Fev there but thats not going to happen unfortunately so we move on.

..if you honestly think Fev could function properly for us here, you're both dreaming.. ..completely ironed out Setanta last year FFS..

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It just atuns me that there are still people that believe Fev could have operares in the new forwardline.

I do not like to bag anyone but put you guys next to Fev and he comes across as Einstein talking to a couple of potatoes.

Your arguement is spuds.

We are all avid carlton watchers .... Fev was a one man show at Carlton .... was never going to change.

Be happy it all worked out rather than posting illogical arguements.

So whos fault was it that we had a one dimensional forward line ? Certainly not Fev !

And as for the total garbage that Fev took out Carlos deliberately is laughable and shows they have absolutely no idea about the game and have never played it

I remember last year a little criticism of Ratten was that he was a one trick pony and completely relied on Judd and Fevola to win games. At least the second part of that equation has been proven false, big positive.

I agree that the fev causing injury argument is laughable. He only has eyes for the ball and leaps at it like there is no tomorrow.

The problem with fev is that as a forward to best apply his trade he needed a lot of room. The whole arc. He was good at what he did but what he did wasnt good for a modern football team. Long leads from the goalsquare a thing of the past. Its too dangerous a plan. It might come off a few times but in the big games if fev failed we were stuffed. Many a coach tried but none could get it to work. It was impossible unless fev sacrificed his own game which he did on occasion (see Carlton v Pies first time last year) but he was never going to keep doing it.

We are much better now. You know it Mad Blue. Admit it to yourself. You can even say that Ratts being unable to come up with a forward line that worked with fev in it has somehow worked in his favour and move on and become and even madder Blues supporter.

I thought Maclure had played a few games

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Cant believe there's people who still believe this crap

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I agree Dominator. I think madblue et al. reminisce about the good times and choose to forget the petulence, the ego massaging that went on, the moods we had to put with. He gave us great moments in dark times, but good forwards these days in good teams do a lot more work up the ground than he ever would have for us. We are better off.

Fev is one of the best forwards in the last 10 years.
If you had this years gameplan in it with Fev in the goal square rather then Carlos, we would be even better, as he would of commanded a 2-3 man double team and that would of left other players like yazzman, garlett and betts runs loose even more.
If Fev wasn't disciplined with the new gameplan, he should goto the bullants till he isn't a one man show. Fev isn't a one man show in Brisbane is he? His Score assists are up!!.

If you want to actually compare this year to last year though. Yazzman (played a few games) wasnt up to AFL level, Garlett (played a few games) was Inconsistent, Betts overweight, Hampson/Cloke were playing tall Forwards, Waite injured most year/playing backline, Houlihan playing mostly backline/not as fit

This year Yazzman and Garlett have went up a few gears and now are at AFL level, Betts is the fittest he has ever been due boat cruise, waite is playing forward, houlihan is playing forwardline, we got no cloke/hammer. Our midfield is killing it this year aswell with Judd back, so it means better delivery in to forwardline.

The gameplan we are using this year would not be possible last year as Yarran/Garlett weren't up to AFL level and Betts fitness is the best of his career. So what is the point of this thread? Take Fevola out of last years team and we would of relied on Cloke/Hammer/Setanta to do it all, as Yarran/Garlett/Betts aren't at the same level as they are this year.

Your argument is actually Spuds and one eyed. Take the emotion out of it and have a good think about what your saying, before you call other people spuds.

I honestly don't care if Fev got traded or not, but to start saying we are better without a superstar is pretty stupid. He is disciplined in Brisbane to give off handpasses n kicks to players running past for easier goals when hes only 25m out, so l dont think Fev was the problem at all, but more the coaching staff not disciplining him and the other players with the gameplan.

Again well said Goltz and i like the facts you put forward rather than emotion. I'm not defending Fev or his actions but we would still be better with him in the side and i'd go further and say that we would be a premiership threat over the next couple of years.

I'm only saying if we had a disciplined Fevola we would be a better forwardline with our current gameplan.
He seems a lot more disciplined in Brisbane, apart from last week with a groin injury and voss has grilled him for that, but other games he has been disciplined.

Fev was good at 1 on 1's and on the lead, as well as being a fantastic kick and occasionally kicking the odd freakish goal, usually because he made a mistake to begin with. His role in the current forward line would not play to his strength's imo as pack marks and being unselfish were never things he was good at.

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The facts are that he could not play a disciplined, team oriented game. The size of his ego and his sooks are also facts. Ratten/Judd are now stamping their style on the team: team-oriented, disciplined, and a hard work-ethic. The results are speaking for themselves. It's easy conjucture now about what might have been, but I'm thankful we are not involved or affected now by his gambling addiction, marriage problems, and his 29 year old body starting to fail. In return we got an up and comer who works his butt off in Hendo. I'm happy for Fev and I'm happy for us.

took him just 8 games to crack the sulks - this in his honeymoon year.

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Thare is no doubt that Fev was a great player and still is.
There is also no doubt that we haven't got him in the team anymore and we are in 5th place.
Imagine if we had Kernahan and Jezza at CHF and FF in this team.
Hang on, they aren't at Carlton any more either.
Fev is GONE.
Get over it.
We are kicking more goals and have won more games than last year when he was there.

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