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PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2010 10:40 am 
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Fev couldn't POSSIBLY have played effectively in our current structure. He's a throwback power forward, and the only reason we remember the times he sacrificed his own game for the good of the team is because they were so rare, they stood out like Bingle's boobs in the shower.

Said it once, I'll say it a thousand times: the gun full-forward is easily the most overrated commodity in football. I had no doubt at all we'd score just as heavily with him out of the team.

And as others have said, it's very very interesting that Brisbane (with their supposedly blue-chip unstoppable two key forwards in Brown and Fevola) have scored less heavily than Carlton this season. Nearly a hundred points less.

Geelong is easily scoring the most heavily in the comp this season, and look at their big forwards: No Ottens... an ex VFL journeyman, Cam Mooney and Hawkins. That's a B-Grade trio of key forwards at best.

Collingwood, top of the ladder. How many A-grade big forwards do they have?


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Wojee wrote:
Yes and no, fail to honour Fev's lead a few times in a row and you ended up with a 100kg sulk who was no good to anyone.


I watched the Lions vs Cats game on Saturday night, and 'Bad Fev' reared his sulky head again. For the first time (for on field reasons), I was glad we'd moved him on from our club...

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Dominator_7 wrote:
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Yes and no, fail to honour Fev's lead a few times in a row and you ended up with a 100kg sulk who was no good to anyone.


I watched the Lions vs Cats game on Saturday night, and 'Bad Fev' reared his sulky head again. For the first time (for on field reasons), I was glad we'd moved him on from our club...


and wasn't Wallsy scathing towards him with his comments? particularly about how if a Carlton forward got in his way, he wouldnt hesitate to crash into them!! I think this was a valid poinbt also for kicking it solely to Fev, no matter where he ws, he would still try and win the ball, I remember when he crashed into Carlos and ruined his season!! what our current forward line seems to have is a group who look for each other, help out each other, and try to share the scoring around, particularly the three little fellas. That, in my opinion, is why we have a better forward line this year - they are as selfless as forwards can be

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PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2010 11:42 am 
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Yes loving the style and unpedictability of our forward line but why couldn't we have played that way with Fevola in the team ? Maybe Ratts should answer that ? Other teams do it with a key forward so why couldn't we ? It certainly wasn't Fevola's fault that we went to him too often !

He wouldn't have allowed an ensemble cast to develop. Reminds me of the Star Trek saga. William Shatner apparently made sure that the storylines revolved around him. In one of the movies, Sulu was supposed to have a big scene when he became captain of his own ship, and Captain Kirk and he were supposed to share an emotional scene in which Kirk congratulated him. But Shatner walked through that scene, forcing the director to leave it on the cutting-room floor. It's totally naive to say that someone who insists on being the focal point could have done well as a team player. We know just how well Fev did with following through on promises to be better off-field, and any promises he might have given to Ratts to play team-oriented footy by playing decoy and sharing the I50 entries with the other forwards would have been broken just as quickly and comprehensively.

I'm still amazed at his behaviour in the 2nd Essendon*/Carlton match last year. Santy had a spectacular start to the match, taking a couple of contested marks against NLM. There were signs that he might be the hot forward as he was a week later against Freo where he kicked 4 to be the leading goalkicker on the ground in a winning side. So what did bad Fev do? He decided to knee him in the kidneys as Santy had all but taken the mark backing back, beating NLM cold. He managed to spoil the mark and it went up the other end for a goal, and Santy lost his spark and conditioning. Just to make sure he wasn't going to get any ideas above his station, Fev led his opponent up to where Santy was attempting another mark and gave his opponent the opportunity to put his knees into Santy as well. Apparently, the conditioning guys said that it was about the largest bruise that they'd ever seen by the end of the game, and that was a diabolical situation for a guy who was susceptible to blood clots in the legs.

I seriously believe that Fev meant to put Santy out of action as he realised at that early stage of the game that Santy would become the focal point in attack. Better for Fev to be the focal point in a losing team than a decoy in a winning one. The sight of him standing near Santy lying on the ground in pain while waving his arm along a line from the goalsquare to where he was standing as if to say that it was Santy's fault for getting in his way on the lead was sickening. And I wasn't alone in that dismay. Sellers said he thought that Santy should have knocked Fev out in the locker rooms at half time because that hit was a total outrage, and that was what he would have done in a similar situation. He said that as a CHF he expected that his team mates would call him back and protect him rather than sticking the knees into him, and if that had happened to him, he would have reacted physically.

And there are still people who think he could have been "Caring and Sharing Fev" in a versatile forward-line? Get a grip.

Santy's good form this year really brings that incident into sharp relief. Last year, Fev got away with it as there were quite a few supporters who couldn't see Santy's value and probably felt Fev was doing the team a favour by putting him out of the game. But how short-sighted was Fev? He could have had a good working relationship with Santy as Santy wouldn't have expected to be the dominant partner. Instead, Fev's now expected to be the junior partner to Brown and has to get out of Brown's way a lot because Brown loves to run back towards goal and they contest the same marks. He's made his bed now, and he has to lie in it.


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PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2010 11:49 am 
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Yes loving the style and unpedictability of our forward line but why couldn't we have played that way with Fevola in the team ? Maybe Ratts should answer that ? Other teams do it with a key forward so why couldn't we ? It certainly wasn't Fevola's fault that we went to him too often !


Because the selfish prick told everyone to get out of the @#$%&! way and leave it to him...if they didn't get out of the way they got a knee in the shoulder!

He had the choice to sacrifice his game and do the team thing...but it was all about #1 for the imbecile.

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PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2010 11:53 am 
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His tally included putting Whitnall out for the year with a knee to a shoulder in 2002 or thereabouts, and breaking Fish's cheek, on 2 occasions IIRC, with his knee. Why isn't he doing that to Jono Brown, I wonder?


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PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2010 11:58 am 
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Blokes on here at the time reckoned it would teach Fisher a lesson and he'd keep out of Fevola's way from then on.
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PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2010 12:32 pm 
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We are doing very well so far and better than i expected but we would be even better with Fev in the team in my opinion.


No way.

Fev demands the ball, and gives players sprays if they don't kick to him.

No way our current structure could exist under a Fev regime

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PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2010 12:40 pm 
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I'd have to agree with everyone here in saying that our forward line looks a lot more dangerous this year, and big Setanta has fitted in beautifully in our forward line...

Yes, Fev was a bit of a clown and stuffed up with us but I think we should give the guy a break, he was a very good footballer for us in a very poor team, wore his heart on his sleeve, made some mistakes but was a ray of sunshine in our dark days...

Now, I believe the Carlton football club has moved on beyond him and that's clearly evident this year, and I did support the MC's decision from the start, but I think we should cut one of our greatest goalkickers some slack, he did a lot of very good things (and bad) for this footy club and I believe wants to see his former team do well wishing he was still playing with us. I wish him well in Brisbane quietly satified knowing that our group is a step above that one in Brisbane and hopefully looking forward to our season continuing strongly..

Always had faith we could finish in the top 8 again and had us for 6th, until the doomsayers and pre-season form put doubts in my mind. Our best footy hopefully can drive us deep in the finals and perhaps one year away from our premiership 'window' opening up. Go Blues!

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PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2010 12:49 pm 
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Indie wrote:
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I seriously believe that Fev meant to put Santy out of action as he realised at that early stage of the game that Santy would become the focal point in attack. Better for Fev to be the focal point in a losing team than a decoy in a winning one. The sight of him standing near Santy lying on the ground in pain while waving his arm along a line from the goalsquare to where he was standing as if to say that it was Santy's fault for getting in his way on the lead was sickening. And I wasn't alone in that dismay. Sellers said he thought that Santy should have knocked Fev out in the locker rooms at half time because that hit was a total outrage, and that was what he would have done in a similar situation. He said that as a CHF he expected that his team mates would call him back and protect him rather than sticking the knees into him, and if that had happened to him, he would have reacted physically.

And there are still people who think he could have been "Caring and Sharing Fev" in a versatile forward-line? Get a grip.

Santy's good form this year really brings that incident into sharp relief. Last year, Fev got away with it as there were quite a few supporters who couldn't see Santy's value and probably felt Fev was doing the team a favour by putting him out of the game. But how short-sighted was Fev? He could have had a good working relationship with Santy as Santy wouldn't have expected to be the dominant partner. Instead, Fev's now expected to be the junior partner to Brown and has to get out of Brown's way a lot because Brown loves to run back towards goal and they contest the same marks. He's made his bed now, and he has to lie in it.


Think Setanta is a better team player in our revamped style of play, is a much better player for our structure. So we agree there.

To say that Fev intentionally meant to injure one of his own team mates last season, that is ridiculous however and just pure emotion talk rather than logical.

Want to reiterate that I am very happy with our team and I'm glad that Fev is gone because it suits our structure and Setanta has developed nicely for us. If we had the chance to get Fev back again for us I wouldn't be keen. We are a better, more 'structured' team now without Fev, I believe however this is mostly due to the development of our team rather than losing a key forward. And how we use the ball now.

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What about the "get up you weak cauliflower" that Fev said to Setanta while he was on the ground following one of those knees? A truely great guy Fev.

Then he goes and breaks his final last warning, gets traded and says he had no support at Carlton. The guy only cares about himself, and has proven that many many times. I am glad Brisbane have him. I loved him as we all did for many years but he blew it. FFS lets just get over him.

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PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2010 1:30 pm 
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I for one questioned the Fev trade and I'm extremely happy to be proven wrong. After all I want what's best for the team and so far so good.

Setanta, Yarran and Garlett have effectively replaced Fev in our forward line. So far they have a combined 47 goals for the year. That's almost double Fev's tally of 24 goals at the same stage last year. That's really impressive.

I imagine Fev would have had the chance to watch us play against both St Kilda and Port. Can't help but chuckle to myself imagining Fev sitting there watching us improve and wondering to himself what the heck I'm doing up here in Brisbane with a bunch of dud recruits going nowhere but south down the ladder. All things taken into account, he must be spewing he's in Brisbane :smile: :smile: :smile:


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PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2010 1:33 pm 
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Indie wrote:
MadBlue wrote:
Yes loving the style and unpedictability of our forward line but why couldn't we have played that way with Fevola in the team ? Maybe Ratts should answer that ? Other teams do it with a key forward so why couldn't we ? It certainly wasn't Fevola's fault that we went to him too often !

He wouldn't have allowed an ensemble cast to develop. Reminds me of the Star Trek saga. William Shatner apparently made sure that the storylines revolved around him. In one of the movies, Sulu was supposed to have a big scene when he became captain of his own ship, and Captain Kirk and he were supposed to share an emotional scene in which Kirk congratulated him. But Shatner walked through that scene, forcing the director to leave it on the cutting-room floor. It's totally naive to say that someone who insists on being the focal point could have done well as a team player. We know just how well Fev did with following through on promises to be better off-field, and any promises he might have given to Ratts to play team-oriented footy by playing decoy and sharing the I50 entries with the other forwards would have been broken just as quickly and comprehensively.

I'm still amazed at his behaviour in the 2nd Essendon*/Carlton match last year. Santy had a spectacular start to the match, taking a couple of contested marks against NLM. There were signs that he might be the hot forward as he was a week later against Freo where he kicked 4 to be the leading goalkicker on the ground in a winning side. So what did bad Fev do? He decided to knee him in the kidneys as Santy had all but taken the mark backing back, beating NLM cold. He managed to spoil the mark and it went up the other end for a goal, and Santy lost his spark and conditioning. Just to make sure he wasn't going to get any ideas above his station, Fev led his opponent up to where Santy was attempting another mark and gave his opponent the opportunity to put his knees into Santy as well. Apparently, the conditioning guys said that it was about the largest bruise that they'd ever seen by the end of the game, and that was a diabolical situation for a guy who was susceptible to blood clots in the legs.

I seriously believe that Fev meant to put Santy out of action as he realised at that early stage of the game that Santy would become the focal point in attack. Better for Fev to be the focal point in a losing team than a decoy in a winning one. The sight of him standing near Santy lying on the ground in pain while waving his arm along a line from the goalsquare to where he was standing as if to say that it was Santy's fault for getting in his way on the lead was sickening. And I wasn't alone in that dismay. Sellers said he thought that Santy should have knocked Fev out in the locker rooms at half time because that hit was a total outrage, and that was what he would have done in a similar situation. He said that as a CHF he expected that his team mates would call him back and protect him rather than sticking the knees into him, and if that had happened to him, he would have reacted physically.

And there are still people who think he could have been "Caring and Sharing Fev" in a versatile forward-line? Get a grip.

Santy's good form this year really brings that incident into sharp relief. Last year, Fev got away with it as there were quite a few supporters who couldn't see Santy's value and probably felt Fev was doing the team a favour by putting him out of the game. But how short-sighted was Fev? He could have had a good working relationship with Santy as Santy wouldn't have expected to be the dominant partner. Instead, Fev's now expected to be the junior partner to Brown and has to get out of Brown's way a lot because Brown loves to run back towards goal and they contest the same marks. He's made his bed now, and he has to lie in it.



Not often I agree with you but I do here - I am so glad to see the back of this bloke

Still think the forward line is a little suss but at the moment it is standing up well and Ratts now has options which he either didn't have or was reluctant to use before

and Sellars was right someone should have snotted Fev and done it a long time ago
Article here at AFL .com sums it up
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/ ... fault.aspx

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Fev who? The minute he left I stopped thinking about him.

I love the way the team plays now and the fact that we still have a lot of improvement left yet. The players now play for each other and enjoy and celebrate each others success. One could not ask for more.

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Having said that, he's battling something shocking up north with injuries, he can't get out of second gear


I doubt whether those injuries are anything worse than he carried with us.

Can't get out of second gear because he doesn't want to. He's gone back to being selfish Fev already.

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I imagine Fev would have had the chance to watch us play against both St Kilda and Port.


Depends on whether he was relying on Channel 7.

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bender wrote:
Dominator_7 wrote:
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Yes and no, fail to honour Fev's lead a few times in a row and you ended up with a 100kg sulk who was no good to anyone.


I watched the Lions vs Cats game on Saturday night, and 'Bad Fev' reared his sulky head again. For the first time (for on field reasons), I was glad we'd moved him on from our club...


and wasn't Wallsy scathing towards him with his comments? particularly about how if a Carlton forward got in his way, he wouldnt hesitate to crash into them!! I think this was a valid poinbt also for kicking it solely to Fev, no matter where he ws, he would still try and win the ball, I remember when he crashed into Carlos and ruined his season!! what our current forward line seems to have is a group who look for each other, help out each other, and try to share the scoring around, particularly the three little fellas. That, in my opinion, is why we have a better forward line this year - they are as selfless as forwards can be


Yep, well said. We work as a team much better in our F50 than we have for a very long time.

For anyone to suggest that we would be better in 2010 with Fev in the team is missing the point by such a massive margin it is difficult to comprehend.

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PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2010 3:32 pm 
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http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/ ... fault.aspx

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So far in 2010 Carlton is up in several key attacking areas:

Statistic 2009 2010
Goals per game (average) 15.1 15.5
Marks inside 50 per game (average) 12 14.1
Goals kicked from forward 50 entries (%) 29.2 31.5

Even more telling, since Round 3 the goals kicked from forward 50 entries figure is an impressive 35.1 - comfortably the best in the league.


I think this is the real key:

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Combine that with an improved defensive effort - the Blues are conceding less than 90 points per game for the first time since 2001 - and you have a team in fine form and looming as a real threat come September.


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Indie wrote:
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I'm still amazed at his behaviour in the 2nd Essendon*/Carlton match last year. Santy had a spectacular start to the match, taking a couple of contested marks against NLM. There were signs that he might be the hot forward as he was a week later against Freo where he kicked 4 to be the leading goalkicker on the ground in a winning side. So what did bad Fev do? He decided to knee him in the kidneys as Santy had all but taken the mark backing back, beating NLM cold. He managed to spoil the mark and it went up the other end for a goal, and Santy lost his spark and conditioning. Just to make sure he wasn't going to get any ideas above his station, Fev led his opponent up to where Santy was attempting another mark and gave his opponent the opportunity to put his knees into Santy as well. Apparently, the conditioning guys said that it was about the largest bruise that they'd ever seen by the end of the game, and that was a diabolical situation for a guy who was susceptible to blood clots in the legs.

I seriously believe that Fev meant to put Santy out of action as he realised at that early stage of the game that Santy would become the focal point in attack. Better for Fev to be the focal point in a losing team than a decoy in a winning one. The sight of him standing near Santy lying on the ground in pain while waving his arm along a line from the goalsquare to where he was standing as if to say that it was Santy's fault for getting in his way on the lead was sickening. And I wasn't alone in that dismay. Sellers said he thought that Santy should have knocked Fev out in the locker rooms at half time because that hit was a total outrage, and that was what he would have done in a similar situation. He said that as a CHF he expected that his team mates would call him back and protect him rather than sticking the knees into him, and if that had happened to him, he


Cmon lets not get silly now, I doubt Fev actually premeditated his actions and deliberately went out there to hurt his own teammates


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