What about Waite to CHB and Henda stays?

Armfield Jamo White
Scotlan Waite Russ
Kane Lucas, Aaron Joseph, Ryan Houlihan
Chris Yarran, Setanta O'hAilpin, Kade Simpson
Matthew Kreuzer, Chris Judd, Eddie Betts
Sam Jacobs, Bryce Gibbs, Marc Murphy

INT:- Andrew Carrazzo, Jeff Garlett, Lachie Henderson, , Browne

Bad news about Bower if true...it means with him and 1AW both out now we have to look for others to provide that run and carry from HB...Ratts is really under the pump now to maintain the new game plan....will be very interested to see how he responds....if he goes down the Thornton back to the back line track and we revert back to static footy I'm predicting a walk in the park for the Saints...

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If Thornton does come in you would like to think he would be re programmed a bit. The entire football world can see he has to play with more dash ,dare and directness.

I personally think that he is a good footballer but we play better as a team with him out of the team.

I am predicting a frustrating game on monday. We may still win but it will be frustrating. If they flood back i am sure we will do what the Bulldogs did successfully for 3 1/2 quarters and hold onto the ball chipping it around the arc, taking back to half back to draw their zone out and create more space to work with. We did that with some success in the preseason against the Crows with some success. Kicking into fifty to a 16 on 8 situation seems a bit silly so i will support that tactic. However if we can cause a turnover or win a clearance i expect us to move the ball on quickly and run through them as they try to get back. Get it inside fifty quick and let our quick forwards do their thing.

We need to bring collingwood style pressure to the game and give them no space to have any chance.

Never mentioned Goodes so don't know why you did. I was talking about Waite - unless you think Waite is as versatile as Goodes. I don't. Particularly after a knee, but even before. As for early in his career, have you taken a look at him lately, he's just a little bit bigger, and, unlike a Goodes (who is a freak so silly comparison really) has not got great hands in close.

I think Waite is on too high a pedestal on this forum. he is a good player, and when on song he gives us flexibility. He is not, though, a budding midfielder, a ruckman, or a Goodes.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

I brought up Goodes because you said as quoted above an athletic tall is still a tall and comes with the disadvantages of being a tall. Goodes sort of knocks that theory on the head re making generalisations of athletic talls.
I am not making any assumptions re reduced athleticism post injury as he looks pretty good.
I agree that Waite may not be suited to an inside role, but on a wing running hard forward and back I think he wouldn't be shown up for what you describe as "tall man's deficiencies"

Aaron Sandilands then knocks your argument on the head.

If we had Adam Goodes in our side, we would be a far better team. I bet there are 15 other sides who wished they had Adam Goodes in their side.

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Ok who cares how tall he is, Waite can play wing, he can provide a headache to St Kilda in that position, he can use his size around the ball to have an impact physically, he can kick goals from that position and also support the defence.

exceptions to the rules are just that - like Kouta, Goodes is a freak, Pavlich too (though I am not sure how tall he is (is he 194 like Goodes or Waite?). But Waite is like most athletic talls - say a Richardson - very athletic and can run but he is not a small in close. He is not part of the midfield rotations except for the occasional mismatch (perhaps). That's what I am talking about. Bring Waite in, you do that to play him as a tall and try to create an advantage but play him as a small (ie drop a small for a tall) and I think the team balance goes out the window. Against St Kilda we will need rotations because it will come down to run and carry and stoppages I think. Play Waite for White or Hendo, or Bower (if rumour is true) fine (well actually I'd like to keep white in but that's another story) but not for Brock - for him we need another midfielder.

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I agree with Dannyboy. Waite is nimble for his size but he isnt a nimble player compared to an onballer. So playing up around the ground for the 2 or three contested marks he may take does not outweigh having an actual full blooded onballer who is quick with his hands, good at ground level and has proper midfielders speed and endurance.

That is why i believe Waite is either a key forward or defender that plays on a player. With Bower Jamo and Walker playing back i dont see a possie for him there so he has to take a position off Henda or Satanta. THis week with Bower looking like he is going to miss and Walker not playing there is a spot back for him. Hope he plays well.

If you are to play on the wing you'd want to have good disposal under pressure - something Waite doesn't have. He still makes fundamental skill errors under NO pressure. Let him settle in the back pocket and get back to basics...not turning the ball over when under no pressure and getting back far enough from the mark after marking the ball for a start.

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Big game for AJ this week. We need him at his best both defensively and offensively.

Second hand talk is,

IN: JOHNSON, Waite
OUT: McLean, Henderson

Thornton possible late inclusion if Bower isn't fit after a possible niggle in his quad

Good luck to Johnson if true.............. but you would have to think this would be one of his last remaining chances to show anything at all to keep his spot in the side. I haven't once been impressed with anything he's done.


Hopefully this year we leave Ratten's Melbourne pals alone.



Not upset about Henderson. He's been given a fair and decent chance and the drop down to VFL level wont do him much harm. I think a few weeks there will give him some confidence that he seems to be missing.

Good to see Waite back. We're a better team with his presence!

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Yeah, I agree fully with you!

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game day live has browne in for brock and waite in for white. dont know how much you can read into it though.

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Please Footy Gods, keep Johnson on the wing/HF and far FAAAR away from the back line.

Monday night games = too much time for conjecture.

This'll be the longest-ever pre match discussion thread, ever.

(until we make our next GF of course)

I think everyone looks at a game at Etihad early last season where Johnson fluffed a few kicks.

He was injured that day. Something we overlook when we're going on a rant.

His disposal is A grade. Doubts over his attack on the ball.

The other factor is if you look at the degree of difficulty on his kicks, its pretty high so they're bound not to come off from time to time.

The Psychologist reports his VFL form has been good so you take that for what its worth from someone actually watching him play.

Good luck to him if selected.

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Johnson will play. Bower out injured

http://www.carltonfc.com.au/tabid/4311/ ... wsid=93775

Carlton Team
B: Armfield, Jamison, Waite
HB: Scotland, Bower, Russell
C: Lucas, Joseph, Houlihan
HF: Yarran, O’hAilpin, Simpson
F: Kreuzer, Judd, Betts
Foll: Jacobs, Gibbs, Murphy
Int: Carrazzo, Garlett, Thornton, White
Emerg: Browne, Henderson, Johnson

In - Thornton, Waite
Out - McLean - Hip, Henderson - omitted

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