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PostPosted: Wed May 05, 2010 7:19 pm 
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Juddy&theKruezers wrote:
Well given that we can't turn back the clock we have no choice but to rate him from now going forward...same goes with Ratts....he is here to stay so we critique his performances and hope he improves and the same applies to Mclean


I hope you're right!


Me too on both counts... :sly:

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PostPosted: Wed May 05, 2010 7:44 pm 
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It seems McLean is not as slow as some of the minds some comments are coming from. :lol:

Breed and vote WTF

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PostPosted: Wed May 05, 2010 9:08 pm 
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It seems McLean is not as slow as some of the minds some comments are coming from. :lol:

Breed and vote WTF


That's incredible! 25 years of working in the field of behavioral psychology and I could not properly deduce such a result. Especially based on a few lines on a website with no knowledge of a persons reasons for writing it or their history/gender/religious background/sexual orientation/family history/age or state of mind.

Simply amazing. Well done! :clap:


PS By the way do you know that the slower the actual speed of someones brain the more productive and clear thinking their thoughts are?

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PostPosted: Thu May 06, 2010 2:10 am 
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Is Mclean representing the slowest supporter group in the AFL?


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PostPosted: Thu May 06, 2010 2:27 am 
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Why the Bombers need to make a play for Boak
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The Bombers didn't want Luke Ball, on the grounds that he didn't suit their needs. He would have cost them pick 26 and a whole lot of money in 2010 and 2011. There were sensible reasons for letting this Ball go through to the keeper. He was turning 26 this year, would have become - briefly - the club's highest-paid player.

Essendon* let Ball go at pick 26 because "he didn't suit their needs", yet in the eyes of some, he's suddenly better suited to Carlton than Mclean for pick 11.

Essendon* need midfielders more than Carlton, but passed on Ball.

That's enough for me.


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PostPosted: Thu May 06, 2010 2:31 am 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
DIAMOTISM wrote:
It seems McLean is not as slow as some of the minds some comments are coming from. :lol:

Breed and vote WTF


That's incredible! 25 years of working in the field of behavioral psychology and I could not properly deduce such a result. Especially based on a few lines on a website with no knowledge of a persons reasons for writing it or their history/gender/religious background/sexual orientation/family history/age or state of mind.

Simply amazing. Well done! :clap:


PS By the way do you know that the slower the actual speed of someones brain the more productive and clear thinking their thoughts are?

If you're a psychologist, then you should know that many academics/intellectuals are full of shit, full of themselves ;) and waffle on repeatedly because they like the sound of their own voice. *cough* Kevin Rudd

And none of what you've listed means you're an expert at recruiting and football like you believe.

Sheedy was a plumber with rat cunning.

Yet you're dead certain you're 100% correct.


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PostPosted: Thu May 06, 2010 8:51 am 
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Kouta wrote:
Why the Bombers need to make a play for Boak
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The Bombers didn't want Luke Ball, on the grounds that he didn't suit their needs. He would have cost them pick 26 and a whole lot of money in 2010 and 2011. There were sensible reasons for letting this Ball go through to the keeper. He was turning 26 this year, would have become - briefly - the club's highest-paid player.

Essendon* let Ball go at pick 26 because "he didn't suit their needs", yet in the eyes of some, he's suddenly better suited to Carlton than Mclean for pick 11.

Essendon* need midfielders more than Carlton, but passed on Ball.

That's enough for me.


i think Essendon* passed on ball because they have watson that being said i think all the hysteria about how bad mclean has been is over the top give him time to learn the habits of his team mates and the role he has been bought in for, mid season we should be able to make a reasonable assessment of how he is going.


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PostPosted: Thu May 06, 2010 10:06 am 
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Ther bottom line is that McLean was not recruited to be an outside receiver.

If you haven't noticed, he has done a fair bit of running ahead of the play instaed of competing for the hard ball, in and under.
Sure he's had a dip a few times and that has not gone unnoticed, but he does choose when he will or will not do that.

Right from the first NAB cup, it looked like he had tickets on himself. He was super fit, yet was a spectator. You don't have to know what your team is like to have the first dip at the ball, and given that he has been selected to be first at the ball, what was he doing spectating, or sneaking away from the contest, in the hope that someone else gets the ball (when Judd is playing at FF), and passes it to him.

Everyone knows why McLean was recruited. We don't want him playing the Bentick role of crashing a pack and tackling and getting the ball first but unable to offload, because we already had one of those. We want him to have a dip, use his strength, get the ball and dish it out to the runners (which he is not).

IMO and that of many other observers preseason, Hadley seemed to be in better footy form than McLean, yet McLean was selected ahead of Hadley. So he's been given a go. No problem with that. Now that he's been seen, I will comment on his failures and his successes as I see them. I am not going to defend him like others do because he's only played 5 games. He is a seasoned campaigner with leadership qualities, and recruited for a reason, so I do have expectations that reflect that.

I do not like what I'm seeing and desperate this does not become the norm from him.

Not happy Jan.

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PostPosted: Thu May 06, 2010 10:50 am 
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I am not going to defend him like others do because he's only played 5 games. He is a seasoned campaigner with leadership qualities, and recruited for a reason, so I do have expectations that reflect that.


Just a question for people saying he's only played 5 games. If we go by that theory wasn't Judd a similar age and experience when he first came to the club? How was he going after 5 games?

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PostPosted: Thu May 06, 2010 11:24 am 
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I think once we get closer to the wetter months and step onto grounds like the Whitten Oval, Waverley and Windy Hill then Brock will start to have more of an influence and contribution to Carlton victories and his pace, or lack thereof won't come into question. :? :wink: :smoking:


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PostPosted: Thu May 06, 2010 11:48 am 
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Dr.SHERRIN wrote:
I think once we get closer to the wetter months and step onto grounds like the Whitten Oval, Waverley and Windy Hill then Brock will start to have more of an influence and contribution to Carlton victories and his pace, or lack thereof won't come into question. :? :wink: :smoking:



Exactly. He's an old school, wet tracker who may come in handy for two, maybe three games a year. The game went past Nick Stevens, and Lance whitnall before him, very quickly - its doing the same for Brock.


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PostPosted: Thu May 06, 2010 3:26 pm 
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If you haven't noticed, he has done a fair bit of running ahead of the play instaed of competing for the hard ball, in and under.
Sure he's had a dip a few times and that has not gone unnoticed, but he does choose when he will or will not do that.

Right from the first NAB cup, it looked like he had tickets on himself. He was super fit, yet was a spectator. You don't have to know what your team is like to have the first dip at the ball, and given that he has been selected to be first at the ball, what was he doing spectating, or sneaking away from the contest, in the hope that someone else gets the ball (when Judd is playing at FF), and passes it to him.

Very few players in the league have the ability to get to every contested situation on the ground. :lol:

His job is to be at every stoppage, then contribute to midfield play when used. He has done that. He is down on game time used since the Essendon* game, but he's getting medical clearance to play. That's the situation.

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IMO and that of many other observers preseason, Hadley seemed to be in better footy form than McLean, yet McLean was selected ahead of Hadley. So he's been given a go. No problem with that. Now that he's been seen, I will comment on his failures and his successes as I see them. I am not going to defend him like others do because he's only played 5 games. He is a seasoned campaigner with leadership qualities, and recruited for a reason, so I do have expectations that reflect that.

The only observers pre-season who thought Hadley was in better touch would have been a small handful if you ignore those who only watched the Sydney game. I'm not even sure there were any. I remember you going on about it, and other people picking up on it.

I'm not accusing you of anything other than lacking perfect recall (and I'm equally fallible), but perhaps go back and have a look through. This barrow has been pushed mostly through fear and lack of genuine discussion; the actual detractors are few and far between, but they do put up reasonable points that haven't been fully explored in Brock's time at the CFC and its facilities.

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PostPosted: Thu May 06, 2010 3:26 pm 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
Juddy&theKruezers wrote:
Well given that we can't turn back the clock we have no choice but to rate him from now going forward...same goes with Ratts....he is here to stay so we critique his performances and hope he improves and the same applies to Mclean


I hope you're right!

Is this the phrase you utter just before you have a tick go off or suffer a mini-stroke? :lol:

(All in jest, I promise you)

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PostPosted: Thu May 06, 2010 4:12 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Ther bottom line is that McLean was not recruited to be an outside receiver.

If you haven't noticed, he has done a fair bit of running ahead of the play instaed of competing for the hard ball, in and under.
Sure he's had a dip a few times and that has not gone unnoticed, but he does choose when he will or will not do that.

Right from the first NAB cup, it looked like he had tickets on himself. He was super fit, yet was a spectator. You don't have to know what your team is like to have the first dip at the ball, and given that he has been selected to be first at the ball, what was he doing spectating, or sneaking away from the contest, in the hope that someone else gets the ball (when Judd is playing at FF), and passes it to him.

Everyone knows why McLean was recruited. We don't want him playing the Bentick role of crashing a pack and tackling and getting the ball first but unable to offload, because we already had one of those. We want him to have a dip, use his strength, get the ball and dish it out to the runners (which he is not).

IMO and that of many other observers preseason, Hadley seemed to be in better footy form than McLean, yet McLean was selected ahead of Hadley. So he's been given a go. No problem with that. Now that he's been seen, I will comment on his failures and his successes as I see them. I am not going to defend him like others do because he's only played 5 games. He is a seasoned campaigner with leadership qualities, and recruited for a reason, so I do have expectations that reflect that.

I do not like what I'm seeing and desperate this does not become the norm from him.

Not happy Jan.


I have been reluctant to comment in this thread on the merits or otherwise but I believe BB has summed up the situation well. As we know it is what people do (or not do) that counts. I hope Brock steps up to be the player Carlton FC needs given the high cost of his recruitment. All about getting th best "bang for the buck".

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PostPosted: Thu May 06, 2010 4:35 pm 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
Just a question for people saying he's only played 5 games. If we go by that theory wasn't Judd a similar age and experience when he first came to the club? How was he going after 5 games?


Do you know how to do a cost v benefit analysis?


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Out injured this week with a hip problem.

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PostPosted: Thu May 06, 2010 7:03 pm 
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Effes wrote:
Out injured this week with a hip problem.


Well at least we know why he hasn't been at his best...let's hope it is not a serious injury..

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Regarding the OP's question, yes.

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PostPosted: Thu May 06, 2010 9:34 pm 
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jimmae wrote

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The only observers pre-season who thought Hadley was in better touch would have been a small handful if you ignore those who only watched the Sydney game. I'm not even sure there were any. I remember you going on about it, and other people picking up on it.

I'm not accusing you of anything other than lacking perfect recall (and I'm equally fallible), but perhaps go back and have a look through. This barrow has been pushed mostly through fear and lack of genuine discussion; the actual detractors are few and far between, but they do put up reasonable points that haven't been fully explored in Brock's time at the CFC and its facilities


That's not very nice jimmae. Not at all. You know exactly where I'm coming from. :eek: :garthp:

Now you go and prove your point and yes you are accusing me of lots...lots of bad stuff...and you are wrong! Very wrong. :hitcomputer:

I don't feel like getting into a stoush with you, although you probably need a slap or two from your mummy for this sort of sly personal attack. You're a very naughty boy. :screwy:

I can prove my point, but nah, not wasting any more time on you.

I stick up for you for years and years, mainly out of pity, whilst you cop it left right and centre at TC for being a smartarse, for making up stuff , plagiarism, and for being cocky. Having read this and a couple of your other posts today, I'll be straight up and say that you are getting really cocky again little fella. No need for this kind of mischief.

Remember, you don't shit in your own back yard, you remember who your friends are and don't go sticking your jaw out so far with such arrogance and cockiness...now piss off you two faced back stabber. :mad:

The only thing I find correct in what you said in your post is "...I'm not even sure...".

Go and do some research on the point you make, and when you realise you are making up a whole lot of rubbish with your accusations you can put it on the record that you were wrong and that there were many who believed that Hadley was in good form, primed to perform in 2010 by Cordy and looked to be better form than McLean....footy form that is, not running form....then you'll be in my good books again. I remember who mentioned Hadley showing more form. Go on...go show some real courage...and seek the truth.

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