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 Post subject: Re: R6 - Pros and Cons
PostPosted: Mon May 03, 2010 11:07 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:

Yeah, come to think of it, what happened?

Dawes kicked 4.3.27 of the 155 points on White.
Cloke 2 goals with Bower on him.
Fraser didn't do anything forward.
Davis got beaten by AJ.
Armfield kept Didak to a goal
Medhurst kicked one against Jamo, and 2 on Gibbs.
Russell's man????? Can't remember his man

Their bloody rotating midfield must've kicked the other 15 goals????????


Exactly right (I probably should've looked at the goalkickers before I posted what I did ;-))
But seriously, it shows that our defence wasn't as terrible as people in this thread have said. Unless they mean our overall defensive efforts, midfielders included.


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 Post subject: Re: R6 - Pros and Cons
PostPosted: Mon May 03, 2010 11:10 pm 
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The Spornstar wrote:
bondiblue wrote:

Yeah, come to think of it, what happened?

Dawes kicked 4.3.27 of the 155 points on White.
Cloke 2 goals with Bower on him.
Fraser didn't do anything forward.
Davis got beaten by AJ.
Armfield kept Didak to a goal
Medhurst kicked one against Jamo, and 2 on Gibbs.
Russell's man????? Can't remember his man

Their bloody rotating midfield must've kicked the other 15 goals????????


Exactly right (I probably should've looked at the goalkickers before I posted what I did ;-))
But seriously, it shows that our defence wasn't as terrible as people in this thread have said. Unless they mean our overall defensive efforts, midfielders included.


Apart from Judd we have a very lazy midfield especially when it comes to defensive pressure...running forward we have as many front runners as anyone could want but very few are willing to run back the other way..this is where games are won and lost..

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 Post subject: Re: R6 - Pros and Cons
PostPosted: Mon May 03, 2010 11:17 pm 
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Juddy&theKruezers wrote:

Apart from Judd we have a very lazy midfield especially when it comes to defensive pressure...running forward we have as many front runners as anyone could want but very few are willing to run back the other way..this is where games are won and lost..


Unfortunately I agree our midfield gives poor defensive pressure. Our back 6 shouldn't receive that much blame for conceding 155. I think our back 6 is the most improved part of our list and still very underrated. Can't wait to get Walks back in there though.


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 Post subject: Re: R6 - Pros and Cons
PostPosted: Mon May 03, 2010 11:22 pm 
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Tend to agree with the midfield problem. I'm not sure if it's necessarily a laziness problem but a failure to give the guys enough direction on their role in the team.

Unless Joseph is tagging a midfielder, we line up very offensively at stoppages - we can't afford to have Judd, Murphy, Carrazzo, Simpson, Scotland, McClean planning around us getting the clearance. Even if we do get the clearance, a couple of the identified need to hold back pushing forward.

Sometimes it will be laziness, but things are generally a little more complicated than simple unwillingness to run - maybe they're all knackered cos they're all running forward to provide options.


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 Post subject: Re: R6 - Pros and Cons
PostPosted: Mon May 03, 2010 11:25 pm 
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The Spornstar wrote:
Juddy&theKruezers wrote:

Apart from Judd we have a very lazy midfield especially when it comes to defensive pressure...running forward we have as many front runners as anyone could want but very few are willing to run back the other way..this is where games are won and lost..


Unfortunately I agree our midfield gives poor defensive pressure. Our back 6 shouldn't receive that much blame for conceding 155. I think our back 6 is the most improved part of our list and still very underrated. Can't wait to get Walks back in there though.


Agree. I would go so far as to say under Ratts it has been our back 6 which has shown the most improvement by a mile over other areas...our midfield only marginally....lets not forget Judd would improve any midfield just by showing up and our forward structures have shown very minimal improvement (I'm taking into account the Fev trade but we still need loads of work here and I'm sure many permutations and combination's will need to be used still b4 this looks right)...we have lots to work on....work that should have been mostly done by now IMO...

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 Post subject: Re: R6 - Pros and Cons
PostPosted: Tue May 04, 2010 7:32 am 
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Hard to tell watching the telly so could someone who went to the game tell me if Setantas little helpers spent much time on the ground together (all 3)? To me it seemed that at least one was on the bench much of the time.

If true, that seems to defeat the purpose of playing all three in my view. The success they have had (as a trio) has been all about the different dynamic and extra energy generated with all three buzzing around being dangerous (as opposed to just two). As I have posted before .... the sum is greater than the parts .... but it requires all three on the ground to work.


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 Post subject: Re: R6 - Pros and Cons
PostPosted: Tue May 04, 2010 8:14 am 
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When we are clearing the ball with run through the midfield and continually cock up hitting targets by hand and foot under the Pies terrific defensive pressure then it was turned over continually to players like Didak etc who'd dropped off the back. Simple result from that - direct pass to leading forward or ping at goal. It happened time and time again.

Turnovers/fumbles/cockups under pressure killed us.

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 Post subject: Re: R6 - Pros and Cons
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It's happened before. google it.

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 Post subject: Re: R6 - Pros and Cons
PostPosted: Tue May 04, 2010 4:01 pm 
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Pros and Cons isn't just another name for the Collingwood cheersquad is it?











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