There's obviously 3 schools of thought with McLean:

1. His fans suggest he has been very good whereas others have seen glimpes of good play but haven't rated his preseason and H&A output thus far in 2010.

2. Those disappointed in McLeans output thus far and can't see how he is rated so highly week after week. Overrated and overvalued with pick 11.

3. Those that will wait till the end of the year to determine his value on a week to week basis....by then it might be too late to make amends.

So BlueRob, just as you can't see why all the criticism, I for one have seen him play 2 relatively good games in Rnd 1 and 2; and that is disappointing given Rnd 1 was against the bottom team Richmond.

I get really pissed off when he is spectating or playing as a receiver; he's not fast enough to be a receiver.
I think he needs to be scrutinised heavily, because he has cost us a first round draft pick.

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Agree - Herald Sun said we didn't tag anyone, but I was pretty sure that AJ getting Davis worked up was a result of tagging him and irritating the living shit out of him....

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McLean needs to work for his teammates by getting the ball. Its wrong to say they don't need to work for him though. They need to be in the right position and if they are Brock needs to find them. I thought he looked slow with the ball and got caught with it yesterday because we haven't worked that part out yet.

I didn't agree with dropping Warnock for yesterday either, but by all reports he went back and had a great game so I did concede in my last post that maybe McLean could benefit from going back and getting some touch and confidence if he's lacking it, but I think its the understanding with his teammates he needs, he won't get that in the VFL.

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A week in the twos might not help him, but maybe 2-3 weeks there might as it did for Houla and Scotto last year and as it will for TBird and Waite this year.

McLean did not work hard enough. There's enough witnesses (posters and commentators) who suggest the same. There must be something in that.

His season thus far has been overrated.

MC need to give him a message, and it's not..."lets give you another chance to win the pill and dish it out to your mates", because it should be "look I think you'll be able to play the role we recruited you for in the Ants and that should help mould you for the role we need you to play in the seniors; and that's not being the receiver".

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All defenders effectively are taggers, but are really just doing defensive duties in a defensive post.
I think taggers are mainly defenders sitting on midfielders.
AJ was playing as a defender and closed down his opponent playing in the FP in Davis.

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Fair enough.

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I meant the practically inducing him to swing at him, at times.... It was very much like when Judd got suspended for WC...

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Little Fat Collingwood kid two seats to my left: "Chewy on your boot!"

Collingwood supporter a few seats the other way: "That kid looks too young to have been around in the 80's when people still said that."



Little Fat Collingwood kid two seats to my left as Chris Judd went to the bench: "Hahaha, you need to get a new captain Carlton!"

Me to Collingwood bloke sitting between myself and the fat kid: "Ummm, isn't your captain Nick Maxwell?"

Collingwood bloke:



Me to nobody in particular after Simpson was hit high while gathering the ball on the wing: "Where's his head?"

Collingwood bloke: "He ducked, play on."

Me: "Yeah, you'll find you do have to duck to pick up the ball."

Collingwood bloke:



Little Fat Collingwood kid: "Why don't you dig a hole and bury yourself Carlton?"

People all around:

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You think that's annoying. I was sitting directly in front of Gary Pert and Eddie. I was abusing Davis at one stage for being an overhyped lazy sheepdog and Eddie fired up. He was defending Davis to Pert, and I assume indirectly to everyone who heard my comments. He calls Maxwell 'The Skipper'. Never Nick or Maxwell. Beat it, Eddie.

Collingwood moron next to me told me to sit down when I got fired up after a holding the ball decision. I told him this was the footy and I wasn't here for the knitting.

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for those of you interested. the filth scored exactly 16-6-102 directly from turnovers.
we scored 16-6-102 total, with only 6-3 from turnovers.

thats poor. just poor

for those who think the 10 goal margin wasn't justified, think again.

look at the tackle count, the scoring shots, the clearances.
22 scoring shots to 35.

where is a 10 goal win not justified?? we played less than a quarter in total on our terms, the rest was all pies.

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Too many passengers in Navy Blue!! Hate to sound like a broken record but looking at Lucas and McLean yesterday, maybe we should have held onto the Draft Pick and signed 2 x Lucas!!! Who are Melbourne looking to get rid of next year so that I can start preparing myself now!!!

Is McLean still injured? He looks very slow and for an inside player doesnt really seem to command a massive physical prescence. What has Hadley done wrong to be missing out to this bloke!! On the balance of yesterday's performance, Luke Ball looked like a recruiting masterstroke in comparison.

I thought White wasnt too bad, kicked a lovely goal. Looks undersized compared to the opponents he has had over the last couple of weeks

Hendo looks tired/lost. We've played him forward and back. Maybe a couple of February's in the Gym and he'll be OK but right now he is bordering on a liability. I'm not sure what development he'll be getting by going missing from games for a quarter or 2.

I love AJ's work but I agree, he looks a shade or 2 down on last year's form.

JR is in career best form but there are still decisions that have me eating my footy record. Some of those kick ins I can almost see the mouse on the treadmill working inside of his head!!

Kreuz looks a little tired, that article in the HUN pumping him up a couple of weeks ago has put the brakes on.

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You're lucky - I had some plonker yelling "You're shit Judd" every time CJ tore them a new one in our defensive 50....
Between that and "show us your Pink Bits Judd" - he was a ton of fun....

Some very knowledgeable people at the game yesterday - was great sitting with people who enjoyed the intent of the game...

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We have known for a long, long time that Collingwood supporters are the classiest in the league.
The fact they have beaten us the past 2 occassions is enough for some-one to commit murder but that for another day.

Time on Time on Time on & Time again, over the last 2 years how many goals have we given up in time on of quarters against semi decent opposition let alone a top 4 side. Agree with most Waite and Thornton need to return to the side. The indiginous trio need to get some consistency, one week on and two off just isn't good enough. Many talking backline issues when it came time to recruit we grabbed another Melbourne discard and let Maguire go to The Lions. Of course smart decision as we are so short of mid-fielders at the Club and our backline is the pride of the AFL. I actually don't mind Ratts however I agree he needs to make decisions much quicker. And its well past the time that JR was relieved of the pressure of being desingnated kicker after a behind.

I see the merry go round has returned

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Just like the Essendon* game we succumbed to the pressure and consistently gave the ball back. Jarrad Waite wouldn't have made one bit of difference to that.

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No No BV Waite is the great white hope - at the expense of White obviously.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Can I share a strange experience? I sat in the AFL members on Sunday. I took my seat in a bay that seemed to be just Collingwood supporters and me. I thought it was going to be a very tough afternoon if we lost. Yet the Pies fans around me were mild, good humoured and respectful. I didn't have a clue how to react. They were saying how great Judd was and how Murphy has really taken his game to another level, how it was a great game and the margin flattered the pies. It certainly made the experience a lot less painful, yet it kinda made me feel a bit uneasy, like I was living in some kind of bizarro world. After a few tirades at the umpires I realised that I was probably the most feral person in the area. At a Collingwood game!

IMPOSSIBLE.....

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