I think you'll find that white played on Burton who missed 3 or 4 easy ones in the first quarter alone.

Ah Sydney, no one could ever accuse you of inconsistency, you have maintained your rage against Setanta since day one and continue to do so. I thought he was good first two weeks, ordinary ag Ess (as was the whole side apart from Lucas) and Adelaide (tho not sure what his instructions were). I thought he was pretty good on Monday, got to a lot of contests, completely stopped Taylor's domination etc. I agree he still can look lost and isn't intuitive, but who is going to do better. You have suggested TBird, who couldn't get a kick up forward in the Ants and is neither tall enough nor quick enough to play forward. His only hope is as third tall defender where he has been good till this year. Big K is a number one ruckman not a key forward. Wiggo is a battler who fumbles and is a very poor kick. Love his aggression and could fill the role Robbo had but is not a key forward. Key forwards are hard to find, and Geelong have proved that you don't need a key forward kicking lots of goals to win flags but you do need avenues to goal. Defensive pressure from quick forwards is more important now. How many goals come from contested marks? Kosi is probably the best contested mark of the key forwards in the league, and he is basically a log who should have been playing in the 1970s. When the ball hits the ground he shows all the agility of Percy Jones. Kosi sure can take a contested mark, it's just that he doesn't very often and he gives the Saints nothing else. There are not very many gun key forwards in the competition, and we, like most sides don't have any but we do have a spread, have three very quick and skilful small forwards and a range of options.

You might eventually be right and Setanta's career might be ended but I hope he plays on and contributes for the next 4-5 seasons. He will certainly be persevered with while he is averaging a couple of goals a week, getting to contests, bringing the ball to ground and following instructions, and we have no real alternatives. The most likely next key forward is Levi C who was a second round rookie and has potential but a long, long way to go. And with GC and GWS coming in there will be less good players available not more.

At season's end I think we will have 4 forwards who have kicked 30 plus goals, and Setanta will be one of them and that will be far healthier than one forward kicking 80.

I tend to agree with this...I reckon we go in with one ruckman and bring in Waite with Bower and go for extra pace...

I take it you guys havent watched to many Hawthorn games this year

Why would we play Setanta forward in the first 5 rounds, trying to develop him as a forward, and then set him back again by playing him in the ruck?

Probably the same people who want to play Kreuzer as a forward.

Yes, that right's. I suggest that we play one ruckman for a bit more flexibility and run and then I also want to make him a permanant forward. Surely even you see you stupid your remark is???

Sauce has to play. As TBB says no point trying for five weeks to develop him as a forward and then have him play ruck where he has failed before. He was developing well as a key defender in 2007 and then we changed him to ruck with little success. Setanta has taken a long time and part of that has been that he has never been allowed to settle into a position. I suspect the hope is that Jacobs will more than hold his own in the ruck and give Big K a bit more time in the forward pocket to clunk a few as he did ag Geelong. The Woods have an undersized defence. If Jacobs can give us more in the ruck than Warnock then that is where the flexibility comes from.

ABSOLUTELY WRAPPED to see Jacobs included.

I'm not saying Warnock is no good, I just think Jacobs is a better option at the moment.


Good luck to him.

pre match speech should go something like this:

Great moments are born from great opportunity.
And that's what you have here today, boys.
That's what you've earned here, today.
One game.
If we played 'em ten times, they might win nine.
But not this game. Not today.
today, we run with 'em.
today, we stay with 'em, and we shut them down because we can!
today, we are the greatest team in the league.
You were born to be football players -- every one of ya.
And you were meant to be here today.
This is your time.
Their time -- is done. It's over.
I'm sick and tired of hearin' about what a great team the pies have.
Screw 'em!
This is your time!!
Now go out there and take it!

You know, when you get old in life things get taken from you. I mean that's...part of life. But, you only learn that when you start losing stuff. You find out life’s this game of inches. So is football. Because in either game, life or football, the margin for error is so small -- I mean one-half a step too late, or too early, and you don’t quite make it. One-half second too slow, too fast, you don’t quite catch it.

The inches we need are everywhere around us.

They’re in every break of the game, every minute, every second.

On this team, we fight for that inch.
On this team, we tear ourselves and everyone else around us to pieces for that inch.
We claw with our fingernails for that inch, because we know when we add up all those inches that’s gonna make the ****in' difference between winning and losing!
Between livin' and dyin'!

I’ll tell you this: In any fight, it’s the guy who’s willing to die who’s gonna win that inch. And I know if I’m gonna have any life anymore, it’s because I’m still willin' to fight and die for that inch. Because that’s what livin' is! The six inches in front of your face!!

Now I can’t make you do it.

You got to look at the guy next to you. Look into his eyes! Now I think you’re gonna see a guy who will go that inch with you. You're gonna see a guy who will sacrifice himself for this team because he knows, when it comes down to it, you’re gonna do the same for him!

That’s a team, gentleman!
And, either we heal, now, as a team, or we will die as individuals.

That’s football guys.

That's all it is.