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PostPosted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 5:19 pm 
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Which gives a 21-year old ruckman little time for a spell. Grigg was the next player I would have named on the extended bench. Glad they're not giving an automatic bench selection for Hadley unless McLean is in doubt.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 5:19 pm 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
Even though I believe Jacobs deserves a go I wouldn't mind him missing out for Waite.

With C'wood only having Jolly supported by Fraser we could play Kruezer as our number one ruckman with Setanta as support. We would also have the options of rotating Kruezer, Setanta and Waite all through the forward line giving us lots of options!

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 5:22 pm 
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I've gotta say I'm a little surprised about Wanock's ommission. I did call for it two weeks ago, but feel he has improved a little since then. Maybe Jacobs' form has just been too good to ignore. Well done to Sammy.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 5:22 pm 
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diesel_85 wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Teddy Hopkins wrote:

Tippett missed 3 goals
Podsiadly missed 4 goals
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I think you'll find that white played on Burton who missed 3 or 4 easy ones in the first quarter alone.


Whitey must have great technique on the mark! :razz:

...........

...... also ..... a few being quite harsh on Joseph. Not his best day against Ablett but hard to fault his effort. There are very few players/taggers who have the endurance to run with the best elite midfielder each week - and then tries to run off them in the last quarter! Saw some vision couple of weeks ago of Joseph having a yak on the field during the game - pushes himself to the limit.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 5:26 pm 
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I am a little surprised that Warnock is out.

Whilst he has by no means been dominant I thought his game against Geelong was his best for us to date, with his tackling a feature.

Jacobs will probably compete better at the ruck contests, but I'm not sure he has enough mobility-something Warnock has in spades- to be involved in play when we don't have possession.

Still, if Warnock is out he must come in.

Bower is good to see back in the team, although I don't see him as a direct replacement for Walker. Walker's role has been crucial in the past two matches. It was clear that once he went off in the Geelong game, that we took a while to adjust and missed his rebounding run slicing through their zone.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 5:29 pm 
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My guess would be 206 having a break. He IS recovering from a lot of injuries, after all.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 6:02 pm 
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Pre planned for Wanock perhaps. Five weeks in then a swap with Jacobs for five.

Grigg has done the job on Shaw before. Which could work in his favour.

Id go :-

In :- bower Jacobs
Out :- walker Warnock


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 6:11 pm 
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Okay, I got some flak for tipping AJ to go. His form has been average this year but good luck to him that he is still in the side. I hope he takes Didak or Davis or whoever to the cleaners on Sunday.

And people talk about me being a harsh marker! Poor White. In his first game against Adelaide I reckon he beat Burton apart from the first quarter when he was probably overawed. In his second game Podsliadly was the only one of the three Geelong talls who got any form of decent supply. And its not much use to talk about being beaten except for your opponent not kicking straight because Geelong would have no doubt won the 2008 cup if they had kicked straight. But they didn't so they didn't.

Yes I would like Waite in the side but not at the expense of White. When there is a loss of form by a player he comes in. Reward good form and demote for loss of form.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 6:19 pm 
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Juddanaught09 wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:
Even though I believe Jacobs deserves a go I wouldn't mind him missing out for Waite.

With C'wood only having Jolly supported by Fraser we could play Kruezer as our number one ruckman with Setanta as support. We would also have the options of rotating Kruezer, Setanta and Waite all through the forward line giving us lots of options!

:banghead:


I'm with Psych. Carlos can't ruck, but neither can Fraser so all he needs to do is provide a contest during the small time he spends in the ruck. Waite gives us alternatives up forward, but also mismatches wherever he plays.

Grigg and Robbo won't play unless we have an injury.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 6:46 pm 
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Only real possibility for Grigg is if Lucas is omitted but doubt that.
Could they still drop White for Waite or is White a definite starter given that he's not on the extended bench?


That's the one I'd want, there is still time for White but at this stage Waite gives us more.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 6:48 pm 
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 6:52 pm 
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Rafalution wrote:
Juddanaught09 wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:
Even though I believe Jacobs deserves a go I wouldn't mind him missing out for Waite.

With C'wood only having Jolly supported by Fraser we could play Kruezer as our number one ruckman with Setanta as support. We would also have the options of rotating Kruezer, Setanta and Waite all through the forward line giving us lots of options!

:banghead:


I'm with Psych. Carlos can't ruck, but neither can Fraser so all he needs to do is provide a contest during the small time he spends in the ruck. Waite gives us alternatives up forward, but also mismatches wherever he plays.


All you need is a little bit of lateral thinking and consider all options. I have no doubt that Jacobs will probably play and deserves his chance. No one has worked harder to improve his game and his agility.

My point about Carlos is that I believe he can take on Fraser and it would give so much more flexibility to the side.

Comments like those above are the same I got when I suggested Walker at CHB or Gibbs off a HBF. You just never know! :wink:

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 7:03 pm 
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Rafalution wrote:
Juddanaught09 wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:
Even though I believe Jacobs deserves a go I wouldn't mind him missing out for Waite.

With C'wood only having Jolly supported by Fraser we could play Kruezer as our number one ruckman with Setanta as support. We would also have the options of rotating Kruezer, Setanta and Waite all through the forward line giving us lots of options!

:banghead:


I'm with Psych. Carlos can't ruck, but neither can Fraser so all he needs to do is provide a contest during the small time he spends in the ruck. Waite gives us alternatives up forward, but also mismatches wherever he plays.

Grigg and Robbo won't play unless we have an injury.

But WHY would you want to change a functional & winning forward line? Setanta up forward is working well. He might not be kicking bags of 3 or 4 but he is providing a target and bringing the ball to ground for betts, yarran & garlett.

Waite was incredibly ordinary before he was dropped. Im not averse to bringing him back in, but changing our game plan means you're backing Waite to provide a better target then Setanta... and nothing suggests that he will.

If "Fraser can't ruck" then we utilise the advantage, play 2 genuine ruckman, and give our midfield first usage of the ball at the stoppages.

IMO If ratts wants to swing Waite forward he should move Henderson down back to play on Dawes, and leave the 2 tall forwardline intact.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 7:07 pm 
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Great to see Sauce get a go. Pretty hard to play in the Ants every week when you're a good 201cm tap ruck ? (Gee the Hawks would kill for him now :wink: ). Warnock has been getting better and like his mobility and 2nd efforts etc, but time to give the big red a crack !

Looks pretty straight forward....bench of Armfield, Garlett, Sauce and Lucas.

But IF Waite was 100% ready then he'd be an automatic. I'm tipping they'll give him one more in the red jumper.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 7:16 pm 
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Warnock has shown nothing and his omission is justified.

Good luck to Jacobs - he is a vastly better option than warnock at this very moment.. in 2-3 months who knows?

Waite always rips the filth apart and should play.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 7:16 pm 
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Juddanaught09 wrote:
But WHY would you want to change a functional & winning forward line? Setanta up forward is working well. He might not be kicking bags of 3 or 4 but he is providing a target and bringing the ball to ground for betts, yarran & garlett.

Waite was incredibly ordinary before he was dropped. Im not averse to bringing him back in, but changing our game plan means you're backing Waite to provide a better target then Setanta... and nothing suggests that he will.



Yes the forward line has done well BUT is it the best we can do?

Who said we are changing the game plan? I suggested changing the personnel not the plan.

As for questioning whether Waite would provide a better target than Setanta. Of that I would have no doubt!

Anyway, its probably irrelevant because Jacobs will play.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 7:23 pm 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
Even though I believe Jacobs deserves a go I wouldn't mind him missing out for Waite.

With C'wood only having Jolly supported by Fraser we could play Kruezer as our number one ruckman with Setanta as support. We would also have the options of rotating Kruezer, Setanta and Waite all through the forward line giving us lots of options!


I tend to agree with this...I reckon we go in with one ruckman and bring in Waite with Bower and go for extra pace...

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 7:28 pm 
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Congrats to the MC for dropping 206 who's form has been pretty ordinary this year and not just keeping him there because he was a high profile recruit. I had a feeling they were going to play him regardless of performance because of all the hype around him after the trade.

Don't get me wrong, I have high hopes for 206 but at this particular stage it sounds like sauce has really earnt a crack.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 7:37 pm 
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17th Premiership wrote:
Only real possibility for Grigg is if Lucas is omitted but doubt that.
Could they still drop White for Waite or is White a definite starter given that he's not on the extended bench?


I thought they would bring in Bower for White, and Grigg for Walker. Allowing Lucas to continue to play off the bench.

I know Bower likes a gallop, but Walker he ain't. He will have to play Cloke pretty tight, so it seems to me that we've now lost Walker's run which was crucial in the last two matches.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 7:44 pm 
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Ando's food for thought #179:

By far our worst ruck performance so far this year has been Round 3 v. Essendon*, when Hille didnt allow either of our guys to have any impact.

Perhaps they think at this stage we need the strength of Jacobs to take on Jolly, rather than the recovering Warnock and the impressive yet still young Kreuzer?

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