The philosophy of "don't mess with a winning team' is questionable and lacks the due dilligence required on a week by week basis to select the best team against the upcoming opposing team.

Whilst I think White has done well for a rookie, I do not believe he was as convincing as some suggest.

In retrospect SOS does not get judged on the goals that Ablett and Carey missed, but in the H & A fixture we have to put everything under the microscope, including the facts such as how many shots at goal were afforded to each defenders opponent, because next week's opponent might not miss the opportunities the MC are prepared to give away.

Tippett missed 3 goals
Podsiadly missed 4 goals

These 2 blokes were White's opponent in the last 2 games. If they had slotted the opportunities given to them, then would White be selected with 4 and 3 goals against his name? I doubt it and history under Brett Ratten tells us he most likely would have been dropped. I suggest Waite should take White's position as we shouls err on the side of caution and not take the same risk against our greatest foe.

I do not want to lose against those B & W pricks.
Hence I want to minimise our risks with the team selected.
I might be wrong, but it's how I feel.
Waite is versatile and can play a role forward and back.

Collingwood have Cloke, Dawes, Fraser as their 3 talls.

Jamo takes Dawes at FF
Bower Takes Cloke at CHF
Fraser (200cm mark) is taken by White?

Then there's Didak, Davis and Medhurst who will not be manned as they usually are by Jammo and TBird.

Waite's the man, and when Fraser goes into the middle to give Jolly a spell on the bench, it's easy to swing Waite forward and create a mismatch whilst giving one of our forward sa well earned rest.

We have to win this!!!!
I think we will...the effort against the Bumbers a few weeks ago is a nightmare the players do not want to return to.

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I love AJ, but I also think he was well beaten by Ablett last week.
Ablett kicked a couple of goals, assisted in 4 others and had 36 possessions.
No way did AJ curb Ablett's influence.
AJ's form has been questioned in the first 5 rounds; it aint anything new.

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Ok AJ got beaten by Ablett, but the bloke tried his hardest in my opinion... and has beaten Ablett in the past. Who else on our team could do a better job??
Ablett is a superstar and as far as im concerned its 2-1 in AJ's favour VS Ablett.... thats a superb effort.
AJ needs to play this week and go straight to Didak or Davis.... he will do the job, neither of those 2 blokes are anywhere near as good as Ablett. AJ is a team player and him doing those defensive roles shouldnt be underestimated

Bower in for Walker
Waite in for Ohailpin

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How'd your betting go last week 43?

Since you always come on to tell us how you're backing the opposition. I was just wondering how much you lost?

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My changes would be the obvious Bower for Walker

And I'd bring in Waite for Hederson.

Hendo had a bit of a shocker on the weekend. I do think he has good potential though. If he held a couple of marks on the weekend would have finished with a couple of goals. Some time in the 2's might help him start taking them.

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Haha like i have mentioned in previous posts earlier this week i didnt back Geelong.... they were far too short.
For the record i have backed the opposition in all games except last week
I only bet an amount im prepared to lose to see the Baggers win!
Although this week i cant bring myself to bet against the Baggers because its Vs Collingwood

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Agreed, either Henderson or Ohailpin out for Waite will be a good change

Waites run and flexibility is very handy

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I am hearing that Leon Neon Davis will more than most likely be a late withdrawal, struggling to come up for this week is the word (injured thigh)

I think you'll find that white played on Burton who missed 3 or 4 easy ones in the first quarter alone.

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Bower for Walker.
Maybe Waite for White.
I think White is doing really well and there is a strong argument to keep Waite in the 2's for another week but if he's cherry ripe, I can't see White staying ahead of Waite.

I think it's rubbish to drop Setanta. He may not know what he's doing but, then, neither does the opposition! He has been working hard, has snapped up some strong marks (although he has also dropped a few...), created space for the smalls and created opportunities out of nothing at ground level and after most others would give up. Reminds me a bit of Earl Spalding's role. I reckon he's been giving us at least 3-4 goals a match either off his own boot or through his influence.

Re Henderson, I think he has been showing a bit in all areas except holding those marks. 50/50 whether to drop him to find form or stick with him for another few weeks. I'd lean towards including him & Waite with Plan A being Hendo forward/Waite back and plan B the reverse & Plan C, Hendo back, Waite up the wing, Kreuzer forward. Apparently, Hendo is a great kick for goal. With Presti out, I can see our talls playing more of a goal kicking role this week than the last few.

Ah Sydney, no one could ever accuse you of inconsistency, you have maintained your rage against Setanta since day one and continue to do so. I thought he was good first two weeks, ordinary ag Ess (as was the whole side apart from Lucas) and Adelaide (tho not sure what his instructions were). I thought he was pretty good on Monday, got to a lot of contests, completely stopped Taylor's domination etc. I agree he still can look lost and isn't intuitive, but who is going to do better. You have suggested TBird, who couldn't get a kick up forward in the Ants and is neither tall enough nor quick enough to play forward. His only hope is as third tall defender where he has been good till this year. Big K is a number one ruckman not a key forward. Wiggo is a battler who fumbles and is a very poor kick. Love his aggression and could fill the role Robbo had but is not a key forward. Key forwards are hard to find, and Geelong have proved that you don't need a key forward kicking lots of goals to win flags but you do need avenues to goal. Defensive pressure from quick forwards is more important now. How many goals come from contested marks? Kosi is probably the best contested mark of the key forwards in the league, and he is basically a log who should have been playing in the 1970s. When the ball hits the ground he shows all the agility of Percy Jones. Kosi sure can take a contested mark, it's just that he doesn't very often and he gives the Saints nothing else. There are not very many gun key forwards in the competition, and we, like most sides don't have any but we do have a spread, have three very quick and skilful small forwards and a range of options.

You might eventually be right and Setanta's career might be ended but I hope he plays on and contributes for the next 4-5 seasons. He will certainly be persevered with while he is averaging a couple of goals a week, getting to contests, bringing the ball to ground and following instructions, and we have no real alternatives. The most likely next key forward is Levi C who was a second round rookie and has potential but a long, long way to go. And with GC and GWS coming in there will be less good players available not more.

At season's end I think we will have 4 forwards who have kicked 30 plus goals, and Setanta will be one of them and that will be far healthier than one forward kicking 80.

The squad...

In - Bower, Jacobs , Grigg, Robinson, Waite
Out - Walker (injured), Warnock (omitted)

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Carlton Team
B: Houlihan, Jamison, Joseph
HB: Bower, White, Russell
C: Gibbs, Judd, Simpson
HF: McLean, O’hAilpin, Murphy
F: Betts, Henderson, Yarran
Foll: Kreuzer, Scotland, Carrazzo
Int From: Armfield, Garlett, Grigg, Jacobs, Lucas, Robinson, Waite

In - Bower, Jacobs, Grigg, Robinson, Waite
Out - Walker (injured), Warnock (omitted)

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B: Ryan Houlihan, Michael Jamison, Aaron Joseph
HB: Paul Bower, Simon White, Jordan Russell
C: Bryce Gibbs, Chris Judd, Kade Simpson
HF: Brock McLean, Setanta O'hAilpin, Marc Murphy
F: Eddie Betts, Lachie Henderson, Chris Yarran
Foll: Matthew Kreuzer, Heath Scotland, Andrew Carrazzo
I/C (from): Dennis Armfield, Jeff Garlett, Shaun Grigg, Sam Jacobs, Kane Lucas, Mitch Robinson, Jarrad Waite


Looks like Waite will miss this week. Bench would have to be Armfield, Garlett, Jacobs and Lucas.

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Carlton
B: Ryan Houlihan, Michael Jamison, Aaron Joseph
HB: Paul Bower, Simon White, Jordan Russell
C: Bryce Gibbs, Chris Judd, Kade Simpson
HF: Brock McLean, Setanta O'hAilpin, Marc Murphy
F: Eddie Betts, Lachie Henderson, Chris Yarran
Foll: Matthew Kreuzer, Heath Scotland, Andrew Carrazzo
I/C (from): Dennis Armfield, Jeff Garlett, Shaun Grigg, Sam Jacobs, Kane Lucas, Mitch Robinson, Jarrad Waite

In: Waite, Bower, Grigg, Jacobs, Robinson
Out: Andrew Walker (collarbone), Robert Warnock

Great to see them reward Jacobs' form in the ants, even though Warnock was improving.

Also rapt to see Grigg in (if they both make the team of course)

Quick work Blue Dave. Well Bower is in for Walker and Jacobs for Warnock. The only other possible change might be Waite in, but who to drop. Armfield and Garlett definitely won't go out, and I reckon Lucas has been fantastic. Joseph is struggling but has a lot of credits. I'd love to see Waite in, but not sure who to drop. Great to see Sauce get a chance, let's hope he makes the most of it and crashes and bashes into Jolley and Fraser at every contest.

Well done to the big sauce!

Even though I believe Jacobs deserves a go I wouldn't mind him missing out for Waite.

With C'wood only having Jolly supported by Fraser we could play Kruezer as our number one ruckman with Setanta as support. We would also have the options of rotating Kruezer, Setanta and Waite all through the forward line giving us lots of options!

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What.........

no team this week..........?


kindest regards tommi

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Only real possibility for Grigg is if Lucas is omitted but doubt that.
Could they still drop White for Waite or is White a definite starter given that he's not on the extended bench?