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PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 1:46 pm 
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Just the one change for me.


Walks for Waite.



Henderson had no effect what-so-ever, but i'd prefer to see him up forward for a good 6-8 games in a row. He's been ok, just a little low.


Setanta is a key contributor regardless of stats. Did you hear SEN this morning for nick-names to give to the indigenous boys? somebody phoned in and gave them the name "Setanta's little Helpers!"
I like that - cause that's exactly what Setanta has been doing. The team thing. Creates a tall contest in the 50 and at worst he doesn't mark it - he'll bring the ball to ground for the speedy trio to do their magic.
LOVED his dish of to Eddie yesterday - he just knew he was coming! He looked for him!

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 1:58 pm 
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What a shame about my man Walker. He was really starting to find some form and with that run of half back he looked really good. :cry: :cry: :cry:

Bower comes in for 1AW
Waite comes in for Lachie

I knw we should persist with him in the seniors but he hasnt touched the ball for 2 weeks now, that cant be helping his confidence. We dropped Waite to the bullies to find some touch i cant see why we shouldnt do the same with Hendo. I know he's the future of our forward line but hes no where near the level where his spot is guaranteed. let him go back to the 2's, take a few marks and kick 3 or so goals and then bring him back in.

My views are different for Warnock, he should be kept in the side for as long as he's fit. He hasnt played for almost 2 yrs so needs game time. Hes our number 2 so he doesnt need to dominate or do too much as yet. Hes great at 1%'s and his tap work will get batter (remember Sandilands 3 yrs ago??? he was terrible) My strongest argument is that neitehr Jacobs or Hampson will do much better compared to how much better Waite can do instead of Lachi

We actually look like having a gameplan... running of half back with the likes of walker, gibbs and JR looks great.

What i dont like is the chip chip chip it around and hold possession in our back 50, this is a recipe for disaster with the skills and consistency we have


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 2:14 pm 
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ryan2000 wrote:
Just the one change for me.


Walks for Waite.



Henderson had no effect what-so-ever, but i'd prefer to see him up forward for a good 6-8 games in a row. He's been ok, just a little low.


Does he need to stand up straight?

Absolutely anything could happen on Sunday, we could win or lose by 7 goals, will be very interesting. Should be a top match between 2 good sides :thumbsup:

Apologies for not getting on the WE ARE AWESOME THEY ARE CRAP swing of things. I still think they are a better side than us at the moment, but think we are more likely to win a premiership before them. In 2-3 years we could be a top side, while they will still be their blue-collar, hard working, no-frills selves.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 3:00 pm 
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WE ARE AWESOME THEY ARE CRAP

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 3:08 pm 
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walkers a gun wrote:

I knw we should persist with him in the seniors but he hasnt touched the ball for 2 weeks now, that cant be helping his confidence.


Had 14 possies, 8 marks and a goal against Adelaide. I thought this week was his first bad game. Even then, he wasn't far off. I can see your point but I think he's worth another week at least.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 3:13 pm 
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THEY ARE CRAP WE ARE AWESOME

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 4:23 pm 
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They are awesome, we are oops :screwy:

I hate Collingwood so much.... I want to win this game so badly...

I would make 1 change only & that's Bower for Walks. I didn't get to the Bullants game so am reluctant to call for Waite to come in as I didn't see him play. He should only get a game if he deserved it as I don't think any of our 22 should be dropped on yesterday's effort.

I can't believe people are calling for Army, White or McLean to be dropped. Army's run off the backline is exciting & a little scary at times but I think that run was really missed early in the season & during the NAB cup & challenge games. White has done his job the last 2 weeks & looks composed too. And Juddy must be loving McLean for his ability to block & bump & provide the big body in the contest. I honestly believe Judd would not have been as dominant yesterday without McLean.

Hendo still needs time to get it all together. I think he's played less than 20 games & around 14 of them were with Brisbane as a backman so we need to persist with him up forward. He gets to the contest & presents all day. The marking will come with mre confidence & once he bulks up a bit too. It won't be long before we see him have a big game, I'm sure of it.

P.S. I've never been so relieved at hearing of a 6 week injury than what I was when I heard about Walks. I've been a big fan since day 1 & for a while there yesterday I was shattered when I heard he did his shoulder again. I'm really looking forward to his 2nd half of the year if the last few weeks were anything to go by. Good luck with the recovery Walks!

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 4:32 pm 
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OUT: Walker, Armfield, Joseph
IN: Bower, Waite, Hadley

There's a LOT of pace going out of the side with those changes Joseph will probably survive. Gazza gave him a bath today.

Armfield beat Byrnes hands-down today, but I just reckon he panics when coming out of the backline and doesn't have the ability to boot it long when out of options. Waite runs similar lines to Armfield and can break even with a long kick when he's run too far for the leading forwards.

I'm not advocating the "boot it at every opportunity" game plan, but its a good fail safe.


It has taken over a year for the pro Browne anti Armfield supporters to realise what Army brings to the table.
You are one of the last of the anti Armfield supporters. You'll learn and change your mind when you realise what he does for the team.

Lets just start with how many goals he has saved this year running back to goal with his pace.
Then consider the value of breaking lines and taking on the opposition.
The forget about him running full pelt with no one to go to; that's not him not presenting.
That handball that didn't make the distance was a clanger.Everyone makes a clanger or 2; he's not as bad as you make out.
There is no one pushing him aside to take his position. Please refer to selections in 2009 and 2010 when Armfield has been available for selection.

Come on Crusader, look for the benefits he brings to the team....yes, you can do it! If you try. :wink:

I have need for speed, and Army gives us the speed our defense needs.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 4:49 pm 
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This game is going to be a scrap. The maggies have that all over ground clamp happening similar to the Saints and the Crows (last year). Pressure , pressure , pressure is the name of their game.

I think we have the players to match them but we will need to match them for pressure and take our chances when they arise. We will need to stick with them early so later when the clamps begin to soften our class can take over.

It wont be as free flowing as the cats game and i doubt our small forwards will get the space we had in that game.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 4:53 pm 
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grrofunger wrote:
will only be 1 change

in: bower
out: walker


I agree, this is enough change for me.

Waite played well I heard, but, let him play well again because that's what I expect from him, and, because the current 21 played really well. Now, the reason I say 21, is due to Henderson - he seems to be struggling. While I am tempted to swap Henderson for Waite, I think I will give Henderson another week in the 1's and Waite another week in the 2's.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 4:55 pm 
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Seriously, Army played really well yesterday, no way would I take him out

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 4:56 pm 
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ain't it grand to have choices :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 5:12 pm 
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I agree with what seems to be popular.. Walker, Henderson out and Bower, Waite in.

Henderson has no confidence and you can tell by how many marks he dropped and the inability to make his mark on the game. I think he will be a very good player but for now let him kick a bag in the VFL.

I think we miss a strong bodied half forward. Someone like Chris Knights or Paul Chapman. These guys manage to always stay involved in the game and consistently lead and create options. Wiggins is handy at it.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 5:14 pm 
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TheSwan wrote:
I think we miss a strong bodied half forward. Someone like Chris Knights or Paul Chapman. These guys manage to always stay involved in the game and consistently lead and create options. Wiggins is handy at it.


I reckon Houlihan has been filling that role really well!

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 5:21 pm 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
TheSwan wrote:
I think we miss a strong bodied half forward. Someone like Chris Knights or Paul Chapman. These guys manage to always stay involved in the game and consistently lead and create options. Wiggins is handy at it.


I reckon Houlihan has been filling that role really well!


I think Houlihan has been more of a forward tagger. He takes on guys like Goodwin and Enright and makes them accountable. When he kicks goals its such a bonus! I think he has done a terrific job but I still we are one short of a powerful lead up half forward.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 5:24 pm 
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TheSwan wrote:
I agree with what seems to be popular.. Walker, Henderson out and Bower, Waite in.

Henderson has no confidence and you can tell by how many marks he dropped and the inability to make his mark on the game. I think he will be a very good player but for now let him kick a bag in the VFL.

I think we miss a strong bodied half forward. Someone like Chris Knights or Paul Chapman. These guys manage to always stay involved in the game and consistently lead and create options. Wiggins is handy at it.



I can see value in bringing Waite back BUT,

To compare Wiggins to Chapman is ridiculous. An elite player vs a plodder who is there as a backup if all other options fall over.


Why when the team is doing well and the young players are holding up do people feel the need to rush experienced players even those that are just so-so. Why the panic when you're winning.

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Navy Blue Horse wrote:
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Michael Bower will come back into the team next week and possibly Jarrad Waite.


At least we're getting one of the Bower's back, will still miss Paul though. :donk:

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/c ... -tnar.html


Paul Jamieson down back will help us defend well though

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 5:27 pm 
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Can't believe the calls for Army to be dropped I thought he was sensational yesterday and fully deserves to keep his spot. Also Warnock while not dominating brings a lot to the table as a back up ruckman, his chase on the members wing on Wojinski was awesome it cause him to kick the ball out of bounds. I doubt many other ruckman could do that so considering he hasn't played in 2 years the expectations on him need to be lowered and he will be a long term option for us.

It is handy having some depth and I would consider only bringing Bower in for Walks would like to find a spot for Waite but dont know who to drop.


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Stop Heath Shaw is task 1. Hoops is the man for this job.

We matchup well against the Pies forward line if Bower comes in.

The Pies can matchup our mosquito fleet well also.

Fev has driven our wins recently against Pies so it will be a huge test for us.

If we play like yesterday we can beat anyone, anywhere at anytime.


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buzzaaaah wrote:
TheSwan wrote:
I agree with what seems to be popular.. Walker, Henderson out and Bower, Waite in.

Henderson has no confidence and you can tell by how many marks he dropped and the inability to make his mark on the game. I think he will be a very good player but for now let him kick a bag in the VFL.

I think we miss a strong bodied half forward. Someone like Chris Knights or Paul Chapman. These guys manage to always stay involved in the game and consistently lead and create options. Wiggins is handy at it.



I can see value in bringing Waite back BUT,

To compare Wiggins to Chapman is ridiculous. An elite player vs a plodder who is there as a backup if all other options fall over.


Why when the team is doing well and the young players are holding up do people feel the need to rush experienced players even those that are just so-so. Why the panic when you're winning.


Interesting. I am not comparing Wiggins to Chapman at all. Wiggins is a handy half forward but he is not in the same league as Chapman or Knights.

I also never mentioned that I believed Wiggins should come into the side otherwise he would have been listed as an 'In' in my previous post.

I am of the same opinion as you in terms of playing youth as long as they can hold their own (which they are) but we are still short of a really good half forward. We don't have one on the list. Wiggins is handy at it.. but not good enough :thumbsup:

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