Sic him sic him.

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That’s not a political statement — it’s a harsh reality, and we must act,” she said. “He is a clear and present danger to the things that keep us strong and free. I support impeachment.”

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Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.

we all get angry at losses - I get angry, worry he can't coach, we lack height, or speed, or direction etc. The point is to understand that's an emotional response as a supporter and has nothing to do with reality.

A great quote is one from Paul Roos when asked about his team's ugly style of play - he said something like, 'people forget their are two sides out there, we look great on the training track when it's just us, we use the corridor all the time'

Often when we go bad its because the other side is on top, it happens, it exposes the weaknesses - take Geelong - how top heavy, how slow, how indirect did they look yesterday?

Problem is we've been shit for so long many supporters have lost their nerve and jump at shadows - the shadows are in their minds. We are improving and we are seeing glimpses and slowly the glimpses will build into a week by week reality , this year, next, the one after, block by block. Lucas, White, Yazz, all blocks slowly being put into place.

We'll still lose and I'll still hate it when we do and fear all manner of things because I never ever want to go back to where we've come from - but that's nothing to do with Ratts or team structures or gameplans.

And in the end is Ratts hurting us, is he demoralising this side, is he ruining players like Bower or Kruise or Gibbs etc. NO, so by all means get angry when we lose, but sack him, but to only deem him responsible for the faults not the positives, but to see him as not able to improve, is just silly.

Is he a great coach? None of us knows but he is an improving coach and we are an improving side and in the end that's what matters most.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Good post there DB

if we beat Collingwood and then the Saints ..... I'll get an extension

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Kernahan was asked by the guys on 3AW about extending Ratten's contract, and he said that he believes it to be stupid to extend a coaches contract when it's got nearly 2 years left to run.

Seems the club has learnt its lesson.

Take THAT, Essndon...

yeah...like TC post game. Scary.

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That’s not a political statement — it’s a harsh reality, and we must act,” she said. “He is a clear and present danger to the things that keep us strong and free. I support impeachment.”

Thank you for the reply Mr. C.

For the record I completely agree with what you have posted above. The Carlton side of today remind me a lot of the Bulldogs, Saints and Cats of the early 00's. Undoubtedly talented, but perhaps mentally fragile/inconsistent. Being mentally 'switched on' all the time obviously takes years of experience.

I bring up this comparison because I don't think I'm alone in my view of where Carlton is at in relation to the teams that have come immediately before them. I also don't think this view is limited to one side or the other of the pro-Ratten/anti-Ratten debate.

Those that want Ratt's sacked would no doubt recall the sackings of Rhode and Thomas that led to better results, while fans of Ratten are eager to point out how Geelong stayed the course with Thompson, and we all know how that worked out. AFL, as you noted above, is an immensely tough competition and just as one man's prudent is another's inaction, so too is one man's hastiness another's decisiveness. Hindsight is the closest we get to telling which is which, and in any case it's @#$%&! useless as we don't get do-overs.

This is just a reminder that both sides of this debate want the best for this club, just have different methods on how to achieve it. The more understanding we are of each other's position, the more intelligent and civilized the conversation is on this forum. Which is good for everyone.

That being said however, some people are just stupid and want to turn this forum into a Herald Sun comments page. Play on.

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STURDYISM!!

I read a comment on the Herald-Sun site, saying how good our game plan was and his team (Hawthorn) should copy it

Ratts the envy of other clubs? He might get poached

In all seriousness, full marks to him and the MC for re-jigging the forward line structure, and making tough calls on Waite and Thornton.

Does this mean he will be the man? Im still in the sceptics camp, but he has gone up in my estimation as of yesterday, but sides will try to counter this, be interesting to see what plan b is.

Ratts has really turned his style of play around since the Essendon* game.


More pro-active rather than reactive!


I'm liking it. Well done to him. Hope he keeps it up!

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Ratts needs to get a win over the Scum in R19

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It's a small world, but I wouldn't want to paint it

Would be nice, but I would rather be us than them at the moment.

I'd rather be us than them anytime.

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STURDYISM!!

I'd suggest the players have lifted since the Bumbers. They know they failed moreso than th coach failing on that night.

What Ratts did was to identify the main culprits of our 20 point defeat against the inferior Bumbers and dropped Waite and Thornton instead of dropping 10 players who were also failures on that night.

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I am a Ratten Naysayer but he was great today and he has had plenty of coaching shockers over his game time. I want to see consistent performance. I am odds with the view that the rebuilding process can go on forever- (Ratten and current supporters never put timeframes on things. They never quantify expected results). I totally agree with Keogh- this is Rattens Crunch Time- We must make the 8 this year and be Top 4 by 2012. but to win a premiership IMHO

- We are a key forward and big bodied backman short
- Silvagni as backline coach and 1 assistant who has been in a recent premiership environment forward coach

----CULTURE OF CONTINUOUS IMPROVEMENT------

And it was round 3 when you Keogh were calling for Rattens head.

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I dont subscribe at all to the theory that we are a 'key backman short.'
Modern footy is all about runners- this starts at the back half. Any "big bodied backmen" would slow us down.
We are more than capable to play on the big bodies in the compeittion with Bower, Jamo, Austin etc. Any 'big bodied backman' would slow us down cosniderably and unduly effect our main strength- run out of defence.

Not overly certain we are a key forward short either with yesterdays result a case in point.

Ratts has said several times he expect the window to really open up around 2012 - gee same as you

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Rack Satten

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