Judd Trade

verbs · **Posted:** Wed Feb 24, 2010 7:05 am

To be honest though, we didn't "recruit" him per se. We just happened to have the good fortune that he chose us.

HELLAS BLUE · **Posted:** Wed Feb 24, 2010 6:00 pm

molsey wrote:

As a champion player and leading footballer he has to say that.

I think the mere fact this site gets so stroppy when we lose demonstrates the real value - lifting out of the bottom rungs of the latter. Credibility. Challenge. Cockiness. Could the Blues and us have withstood another few years at the bottom? How hard would that have been?

It was the recruitment of a champion player to kickstart out recovery. if we win a premiership out of it then that would be the cherry on the cake.

See I disagree with that Molesy. If we don't win a premiership out of it I DO see it as a failure. All it would take is for a Gibbs to leave in 5 years (free agency) or a Murphy in 4 years and we'd be looking at rebuilding all over again only this time there will be more sides competing and will be even more difficult. This rebuild simply MUST result in a premiership. Anything else and we've cocked it up.

bondiblue · **Posted:** Wed Feb 24, 2010 6:25 pm

HELLAS BLUE wrote:

molsey wrote:

As a champion player and leading footballer he has to say that.

I think the mere fact this site gets so stroppy when we lose demonstrates the real value - lifting out of the bottom rungs of the latter. Credibility. Challenge. Cockiness. Could the Blues and us have withstood another few years at the bottom? How hard would that have been?

It was the recruitment of a champion player to kickstart out recovery. if we win a premiership out of it then that would be the cherry on the cake.

See I disagree with that Molesy. If we don't win a premiership out of it I DO see it as a failure. All it would take is for a Gibbs to leave in 5 years (free agency) or a Murphy in 4 years and we'd be looking at rebuilding all over again only this time there will be more sides competing and will be even more difficult. This rebuild simply MUST result in a premiership. Anything else and we've cocked it up.

Good point Hellas.

But I also know that players will move for money, and once they do, clubs will be tied to players and vice versa. That being the backdrop, they will not be able to afford more than perhaps a couple superstars, but at the detriment of the bottom 75% of the list because of salary cap constraints.

OK, lets say 18 clubs with 2 marquee players each is 36 superstars on super salaries. There will not be as much movement as expected by some.

But I still think your point is valid Hellas.

I think Judd came over for more than just a flag as far as the club is concerned. He has already been a success for this club.

How good was it win the winner for Judds services was............not Sydeney....but CARLTON?

GREAT!

molsey · **Posted:** Wed Feb 24, 2010 6:36 pm

There are lots of essential elements to winning a Premiership. Recruiting a champion player is but one. From my perspective we are still an amateur club who is nowhere near doing everything right. I dont think we've got all the bits to put together and I dont think we're cohesive in all we do.

Failing to win a premiership wont be because of recruiting judd, or otherwise; it will be because we havent matched the recruitment of Judd with doing everything else right.

Kouta · **Posted:** Wed Feb 24, 2010 6:43 pm

Since Collingwood didn't win a flag with Nathan Buckley, they should have kept Chris Scott, Troy Lehmann and Craig Starcevich...

:garthp:

If we had Palmer, pick 20 and Kennedy, we would have still lost Fevola for Henderson and Lucas last year.

Or sooner...

I reckon we would be down there with Richmond, North and West Coast as a struggling footy club if we hadn't recruited Judd.

Give me the winning feeling thanks.

Getting Judd wasn't a false dawn like 2004 where we overachieved with a new coach and ten new players.

We also traded Judd for the benefit of getting a superstar who is a draw card.

The dollars in the bank and excitement brought by Judd to a financially struggling club shouldn't be underestimated.

It's ironic that hellas blue was a huge critic of Kennedy when he was at Carlton...

viewtopic.php?f=23&t=9986&start=320

This is why I rarely listen to people who have a soccer association with their username*.

A supporter who starts talking about free agency and losing Gibbs and Murphy in this topic. :confused:

We could get a midfield bargain in Dylan Buckley if you want to go that far...

*'cept for bluehammer.

HELLAS BLUE · **Posted:** Thu Feb 25, 2010 6:34 am

Kouta wrote:

It's ironic that hellas blue was a huge critic of Kennedy when he was at Carlton...

viewtopic.php?f=23&t=9986&start=320

This is why I rarely listen to people who have a soccer association with their username*.

A supporter who starts talking about free agency and losing Gibbs and Murphy in this topic. :confused:

What a pathetic post turning a good debate into a personal attack. I guess this is the sort of stuff that mods grow tired of.

Rarely listen to people with soccer in their username? Are you suggesting I know little about football because I have a soccer association in my username? Geez quality argument there, I have to hand it to you, you really have me backed into a corner now. :lol:

Happy to admit I was wrong on JK, everyone gets it wrong from time to time.

HELLAS BLUE · **Posted:** Thu Feb 25, 2010 6:36 am

molsey wrote:

There are lots of essential elements to winning a Premiership. Recruiting a champion player is but one. From my perspective we are still an amateur club who is nowhere near doing everything right. I dont think we've got all the bits to put together and I dont think we're cohesive in all we do.

Failing to win a premiership wont be because of recruiting judd, or otherwise; it will be because we havent matched the recruitment of Judd with doing everything else right.

Molesy would you say that Brendan Fevola was part of that mismanagement ie. the trading of? Also who is responsible for said cohesion or lack thereof?

molsey · **Posted:** Thu Feb 25, 2010 9:42 am

HELLAS BLUE wrote:

molsey wrote:

There are lots of essential elements to winning a Premiership. Recruiting a champion player is but one. From my perspective we are still an amateur club who is nowhere near doing everything right. I dont think we've got all the bits to put together and I dont think we're cohesive in all we do.

Failing to win a premiership wont be because of recruiting judd, or otherwise; it will be because we havent matched the recruitment of Judd with doing everything else right.

Molesy would you say that Brendan Fevola was part of that mismanagement ie. the trading of? Also who is responsible for said cohesion or lack thereof?

This thread is about the Judd trade!

But to continue the digression, to me it wasnt the trading of Fevola that was the mismanaged bit; it was the years up to and including the trading of it. Any of the plans laid out for a Fev-led forward line and a dominant midfield have been set aside given our inability to control and manage Fev. maybe we tried every thing and it failed, I don't know. But to me the trade had to happen and it has happened so I'm over it. (In this respect your previous comments would be about recruiting Judd as part of a broader plan that most definitely included a Fev forward line. In the years in between the specific plan, if that was a plan, failed).

Who is responsible for us being a laughing stock over the summer? I don't know the individuals in management or the Board so I can't say 'who'; all I can say is that we're failing in overall management. It seems to me like we're living off Mr.Pratt's legacy but we still have a long way to go.

titimus · **Joined:** Tue Mar 08, 2005 12:06 pm **Posts:** 939

http://www.smh.com.au/afl/afl-news/judd ... -pejv.html

Small article on how the Judd trade could potentially benefit WCE in the long run.

Blueboy74 · **Posted:** Tue Apr 27, 2010 1:13 pm

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/j ... 5858356477

Quote:

He is a star, and with Josh Kennedy just solid, Chris Masten (pick 3) a border-line dud and Tony Notte (pick 20) unsighted, how did we believe the Eagles had won from the blockbuster trade of 2007?

Nice backflip.

Oh, and still no Armfield

molsey · **Posted:** Tue Apr 27, 2010 1:18 pm

Blueboy74 wrote:

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/joel-corey-out-for-geelong-cats/story-e6frf9jf-1225858356477

Quote:

He is a star, and with Josh Kennedy just solid, Chris Masten (pick 3) a border-line dud and Tony Notte (pick 20) unsighted, how did we believe the Eagles had won from the blockbuster trade of 2007?

Nice backflip.

Oh, and still no Armfield

Great pick-up. A few friends were talking about this the other day in terms of Top 10 picks. You couldn't call Masten or Kennedy a top 10 pick on 2010 form (Masten is quite disappointing at times) so when you think of Judd and the trade you could think of it as:

+ Judd
+ Armfield
- 2 picks (non top 10)
- Scurrilous WCE-incest trade (isnt Notte related to a Board member).

Looks good!

teagueyubeauty · **Joined:** Sat Oct 14, 2006 11:28 am **Posts:** 6450

It really is annoying that its Judd for Kennedy, Masten and some spud.

As it stands its Judd/Armfield for Kennedy/Masten.

Its just the carlton bias talking from the media, they hate us doing well.

teagueyubeauty · **Joined:** Sat Oct 14, 2006 11:28 am **Posts:** 6450

BTW, i wouldn't be surprised to see an article on Armfield this week along the lines of "the forgotten amigo in the Judd trade"

Its only Tuesday so they won't have had enough time to read the forums yet :roll:

Donstuie · **Posted:** Tue Apr 27, 2010 1:25 pm

Bit harsh on Masten

molsey · **Posted:** Tue Apr 27, 2010 1:33 pm

Donstuie wrote:

Bit harsh on Masten

A WCE friend of mine calls him the new Chad Fletcher.

Adam Chatfield · **Posted:** Tue Apr 27, 2010 1:56 pm

teagueyubeauty wrote:

It really is annoying that its Judd for Kennedy, Masten and some spud.

As it stands its Judd/Armfield for Kennedy/Masten.

Its just the carlton bias talking from the media, they hate us doing well.

Just wait for the article 'Mean Blues stole Judd for nothing' :roll:

tommi · **Posted:** Tue Apr 27, 2010 2:03 pm

GET JUDD..............!

kindest regards tommi

Adam Chatfield · **Posted:** Tue Apr 27, 2010 2:15 pm

tommi wrote:

GET JUDD..............!

kindest regards tommi

Can't believe those Tigers stole him from us :mad:

And Knobel and Tim Fleming as well :mad:

titimus · **Joined:** Tue Mar 08, 2005 12:06 pm **Posts:** 939

Blueboy74 wrote:

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/joel-corey-out-for-geelong-cats/story-e6frf9jf-1225858356477

Quote:

He is a star, and with Josh Kennedy just solid, Chris Masten (pick 3) a border-line dud and Tony Notte (pick 20) unsighted, how did we believe the Eagles had won from the blockbuster trade of 2007?

Nice backflip.

Oh, and still no Armfield

Yeah I saw that comment. Pretty strong language from Jon Ralph, who I think is one of the better journos kicking around.

Bit early to judge Masten so harshly IMO, and so emphatically.

bax · **Posted:** Tue Apr 27, 2010 9:13 pm

Donstuie wrote:

Bit harsh on Masten

Not really. I had him in my dream team last year so I watched a few WCE games very closely and trust me he was shit.

Watched him in the pre-season and thought he could be on the improve, after watching a few more games this year he has a LONG way to go. Poor disposal, slim footy brain and no much penetration in his kicking.

Kruezer
Cotchin
Masten

Spot the odd one out.

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