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PostPosted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 5:05 pm 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Our strong bodied Midfielders:

Judd.......well no one can stop him and no one can beat him
Scotland..tough as nails, takes on allcomers and gets his hands free when tackled
Carrazzo..tough as nails. Matches strength with Geelong onballers
McLean...tough as nails. Matches strength with Geelong onballers
Murphy...strong body and knows how to handle the tough stuff. Also elusive.
Gibbs......despite his young age he is tough now and has a body which handles the tough stuff
Joseph...tough little fella who has done a great job on Ablett in the past
Houlihan....can drift up to link up like he did last week from HF. He has a very mature body and nowdays uses it effectively.
Kreuzer....huge misfielder who plays the RR role very well in the ruck

The there's the quick and elusive Midfielders:

Simpson
Betts

Maybe we will more than match them in the midfield which should relieve a lot of pressure on our backline.
If that is the case then maybe 2 talls at FB and CHB is the way we go, and the rest can support and help double team, but most importantaly run the ball out of defense (with Walker, Armfield, Russell and Lucas).

If we play as a team and support each other, win the ball, run run run and dispose effectively...and that happens when fast players present for the ball carrier, then why not a win?

Hawkins...Jamison
Pods......Walker
Mooney...White...but would prefer Waite on him...if Bower doesn't get up.

Kreuzer can ruck if Warnock has to follow Ottens in the last line of defense, or vice versa.
I don't want Ottens to kick easy goals from easy marks against much shorter opposition. It happens all the time.

We shouldn't win because we are young and still developing our skills and our strength, but I'm growing more confident by the minute.



Great post BB.

The only change is I would put Walker on Mooney and White on Pods. Mainly because Mooney will play further up the ground and hopefully Walker can run and create more attack from there.

A left field consideration may be to drop Warnock (although okay last week still along way off his best and needs time) and bring in Waite. Setanta would then play as the mobile second ruckman and Waite can go forward. It also gives us a lot of flexibility around the ground whilst improving our ground speed even more! :grin:


I really like that Idea. Ohailpin should have been moved into the ruck against Ess and then against Adel he was wasted. If it wasn't for his hard work off the ball he would get dropped. The only issue is Warncok. Does the club just want to get as many games as possible into him?

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 8:53 pm 
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Interesting watching the game on Fox at the moment, Geelong v Port 2003. All the names are there, but they are all young and make the odd mistake, or lack the polish they did by 2007.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 8:56 pm 
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For mine O'hAilpin needs to lift his game.
His last 2 games haven't been good.
He is the one that is in trouble to keep his spot right now.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 9:02 pm 
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I wonder if we could all just have collective amnesia on Monday and just ignore the result without all the recriminations afterwards.

Deal?


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 10:27 pm 
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No deal! :fight: :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 12:59 am 
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I reckon the MC could do worse than have Setanta play in defence for a bit of push and shove which he is good at. Plus run. Not in the ruck where he has always been hopeless at senior level. Has anyone ever seen him get one tap? :confused:

And I still say bring in Jacobs for Warnock who simply is not doing enough to earn his place.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 12:40 pm 
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What I am reading on here:

Drop AJ: Nah. He's down on form but has a good record against Ablett. Leave him in for this one.

Drop Setanta (or move him back): Don't do either. I think he's doing enough to hold his spot in the forward line and do we want to move him again? He hasn't had the chance to settle his whole career to date.

Drop White: Personally, I think he did enough to hold his spot. Yes, maybe some stats in junk time but I saw enough to give him more opportunity.

Drop Warnock: Starting to agree with this. Bit biased towards Sauce but there you go. Not in violent agreement so won't worry if he stays, but he's on notice for mine.

Bring in Waite and Thornton: No. Didn't do enough to warrant a return and I hope Ratts doesn't feel giving them a week in The Ants sends enough of a message to them and the team as a whole. They need to earn a recall and I don't think they have.

If Bower and McLean are fit, bring them in, so, very difficult who goes. Potentially Robo and then it gets tough.

The MC need to think hard about this one. Thursday night is going to be interesting, even the extended squad might throw up some surprises.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 12:50 pm 
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Effes wrote:
Do Thornton and Waite automatically return to the team?


Not at all - Ratten rated them only as being "Serviceable" and with the revelations of Walker at CHB and Koutawhite-eaze debuting so strongly, they'll have to really push to get up.

To be honest, I was quite dawnted at how cohesive our backline looked last week, allbeit against a weaker opponent but still, the play flowed much better out of our backline that it has for a long, long time.

Bower being a possible inclusion won't help Thonkers and Waite's chances one iota, so it'll be an interesting afternoon on Thursday to see who gets the nod!

ps - I truly believe we can beat Geelong (but I won't be betting my left one on it!)

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 12:52 pm 
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re Warnock...

Is it maybe Hammer Time??? :)

He's not injured is he?

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 1:06 pm 
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though I'd love a win, a solid and consistent performance across the quarters and not too much of a drop in % would be a resaonable result, m'thinks.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 1:27 pm 
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bluey95 wrote:
re Warnock...

Is it maybe Hammer Time??? :)

He's not injured is he?

Rich


Hammer is injured. Wont be available for a while.

Stick with Warnock i say. He was no worse in the ones than Jacobs was in the two's. Its romantic to think that a rookie can come in and do a better job than someone we had to use picks on but i think big Warnock should stay unless the MC think he needs more minutes on the ground for fitness.

I like jacobs. He is a fine tap ruckman but isnt as nimble at Warnock in my opinion.

Both will end up being good players.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 3:22 pm 
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As the game is on Monday - taking the day off work to watch on tv with a direct broadcast here in Beijing. :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 5:13 pm 
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Teddy Hopkins wrote:
I reckon the MC could do worse than have Setanta play in defence for a bit of push and shove which he is good at. Plus run. Not in the ruck where he has always been hopeless at senior level. Has anyone ever seen him get one tap? :confused:

And I still say bring in Jacobs for Warnock who simply is not doing enough to earn his place.


Warnock did have 76 supercoach points :thumbsup:

To do that you usually have to be effective and get the pill.

8 disposals. 5 Tackles. 15 Hitouts

What stats do we expect out of Jacobs?


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 5:21 pm 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
For mine O'hAilpin needs to lift his game.
His last 2 games haven't been good.
He is the one that is in trouble to keep his spot right now.


Setanta drew Rutten away from his comfort zone at FB and let the little fellas run amock behind him.

He played a team role on Sat.


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get rid of the hacks wrote:
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For mine O'hAilpin needs to lift his game.
His last 2 games haven't been good.
He is the one that is in trouble to keep his spot right now.


Setanta drew Rutten away from his comfort zone at FB and let the little fellas run amock behind him.

He played a team role on Sat.


Agree. He hit up well and caused the vacuum in behind. I thought he did a fair bit of grunt work and goal assists.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 5:34 pm 
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setanta is our most underrated player this season IMO


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 5:45 pm 
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Cazzesman wrote:
get rid of the hacks wrote:
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For mine O'hAilpin needs to lift his game.
His last 2 games haven't been good.
He is the one that is in trouble to keep his spot right now.


Setanta drew Rutten away from his comfort zone at FB and let the little fellas run amock behind him.

He played a team role on Sat.


Agree. He hit up well and caused the vacuum in behind. I thought he did a fair bit of grunt work and goal assists.

Regards Cazzesman


Agreed. From ground level his workrate was excellent creating space for the Brothers.

No way would I drop him....

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 5:48 pm 
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Totally disagree. Runs to the wrong spot too many times and actually confuses his teammates when he gets the ball. Also, makes several silly mistakes a game.

Just doesn't do enough for a key forward especially in regards to contested marks and bringing others into play.

IMO if Setanta is to be in our best 22 it's in other positions.

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he's kicked what 10 goals in 4 games?

on that average thats a 50+ goals season.

yeah we should drop him.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 8:25 pm 
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Cazzesman wrote:
get rid of the hacks wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
For mine O'hAilpin needs to lift his game.
His last 2 games haven't been good.
He is the one that is in trouble to keep his spot right now.


Setanta drew Rutten away from his comfort zone at FB and let the little fellas run amock behind him.

He played a team role on Sat.


Agree. He hit up well and caused the vacuum in behind. I thought he did a fair bit of grunt work and goal assists.

Regards Cazzesman


Agreed.

He is doing very well for our team

Sure he can improve where he runs, but I don't think our forward coaches truly know that yet.

We as a team are feeling our way through with our new forward structure. We all know that.
There's been a lot of good every week if one cares to acknowledge it.

I'd like to see him a bit fitter and more physically confrontational than he is. That's all...and the better spots with leads.
It's all upside. I can see many of his faults, but there aint anyone really knocking for his spot; not even Waite or Thornton.

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