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PostPosted: Sat Apr 17, 2010 10:54 pm 
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TruBlueBrad wrote:
Thats ok.

J&K, blue4, prelim99 and headcutter won't admit they were wrong either.


1) last time I checked, this is an opinion site, not a wrong/right site
2) read my previous posts and you will see that I said that I so desperately want my opinion of Ratten's coaching to be shown up as a harshly undeserving one. God knows I don't want to wait for a new coach to stamp his imprimatur and go through the rebuilding again.
3) todays win was fantastic interstate, but lets keep it in perspective. They are 15th and they had more scoring shots than us but 4 points is 4 points and a monkey off the back is also important. Lets hope we don't need performances like last week, and the subsequent fall out to drive our team. Yes they are young, but we need to set a standard and play to that standard every week, win lose or draw. Chase, tackle and harass next week and we may upset the cats.
4) My opinion of Ratts still stands, but my wish is for point 2 to be realised

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 17, 2010 11:03 pm 
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A win is a win and yes - Carlton is travelling reasonably well in terms of wins and losses - and it was good to win interstate and to beat a team that we have wanted to defeat for quite some time...

But the reality also is that Adelaide have had their worst start to an AFL season since entering the league.

They had more forward 50 entries than we did and missed numerous shots on goal that the in form teams like those above us - that we are playing in the next 3 weeks would probably not have missed..

So they are no measuring stick on where Carlton is really at - and while it is fine to be happy with the win and have a week where we feel good about ourselves - being 2 and 2 and in the final 8 - it mightn't be a good idea to get too carried away with things.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 17, 2010 11:06 pm 
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Would you want Carlton to have a 17th premiership if it started WWIII?


win win loss loss loss? I'd take it.



Oh...

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 17, 2010 11:08 pm 
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Hmmm, Carlton flag and WWIII.

Or no flag and world peace.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 17, 2010 11:12 pm 
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Carlton has won quite a few premierships in years that occurred either just before or during a war.

The 17th flag will be another one like that - occurring during a large war.

I think that the 18th will also probably occur during wartime (in this decade) as well.

Unless Communism returns to Russia once again - This new war will be similar to how WW1 or WW2 was in the 20th century.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 1:11 am 
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JBK wrote:
I hope the mods dont remove this thread, as I would like to hear other's opinions.

Ratten's gameplan is very 1 dimensional, very reactive and generally ineffective.

Others, please share your thoughts.


The Blues had a great win against the Crows Kade Lucas will end up the best of them all.
Do not be lulled into a false sense of security Ratten must go The dropping of Waite is a disgrace he needs a posotion to settle in.
Paul Roos must be contracted immediately if we are ever to see the best of Kreuser Gibbs Murphy and Lucas.

Ratten should be dismissed immediately a caretaker couch appointed for Roos top takeover from.

This is Carlton's Chance for real sucess 2012 thru to 2016.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 1:17 am 
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TruBlueBrad wrote:
Thats ok.

J&K, blue4, prelim99 and headcutter won't admit they were wrong either.


Oh TBB wrong about what? Does a win a coach make? Of course not. Does a win make a supporter happy? Every single win does.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 7:54 am 
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be happy but also be realistic

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 8:20 am 
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blueman wrote:
be happy but also be realistic

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 1:47 pm 
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blueman wrote:
be happy but also be realistic



I forsee great mirth at this post.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 4:43 pm 
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Realism portrayed in the Australian print and electronic media is rather different to the realism reported elsewhere.

But unfortunately many Australians are none the wiser that this is actually the case.

And sadly, most treat the state of ignorance that they are cynically kept in - as if it was a virtue.

http://themoderatevoice.com/24772/repor ... s-by-2013/

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2 ... &page=full

'The first step toward preventing a nuclear 9/11 is believing it could happen'

Even Obama is worried about this :

In his first speech to the U.N. Security Council, U.S. President Barack Obama challenged members to think about the impact of a single nuclear bomb. He said: "Just one nuclear weapon exploded in a city -- be it New York or Moscow, Tokyo or Beijing, London or Paris -- could kill hundreds of thousands of people." The consequences, he noted, would "destabilize our security, our economies, and our very way of life."

So when I compare the current trajectory of the world with the things that I have predicted for many years now - I see the fulfilment of warnings that have been repreatedly made..

But anyone else - that lives on the diet that Australians are fed by our media outlets - would see these comments as outlandish and foolish..

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 4:58 pm 
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blueman wrote:
Realism portrayed in the Australian print and electronic media is rather different to the realism reported elsewhere.

But unfortunately many Australians are none the wiser that this is actually the case.

And sadly, most treat the state of ignorance that they are cynically kept in - as if it was a virtue.

http://themoderatevoice.com/24772/repor ... s-by-2013/

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2 ... &page=full

'The first step toward preventing a nuclear 9/11 is believing it could happen'

Even Obama is worried about this :

In his first speech to the U.N. Security Council, U.S. President Barack Obama challenged members to think about the impact of a single nuclear bomb. He said: "Just one nuclear weapon exploded in a city -- be it New York or Moscow, Tokyo or Beijing, London or Paris -- could kill hundreds of thousands of people." The consequences, he noted, would "destabilize our security, our economies, and our very way of life."


Sigh... I'm acutely aware of the geopolitical instability around the world. There's every chance of devastating wars in the coming years.

How you expect that to lend credibility to your ludicrous fortune-telling shtick is what bugs me.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 6:45 pm 
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Well thats just too bad.

The good news is that the gloom will be lightened by Carlton winning a flag.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 7:53 pm 
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I also have a vision .... 4-3 at round 7. Bookmark it. :thumbsup:


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 8:14 pm 
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blueman wrote:
Realism portrayed in the Australian print and electronic media is rather different to the realism reported elsewhere.

But unfortunately many Australians are none the wiser that this is actually the case.

And sadly, most treat the state of ignorance that they are cynically kept in - as if it was a virtue.

http://themoderatevoice.com/24772/repor ... s-by-2013/

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2 ... &page=full

'The first step toward preventing a nuclear 9/11 is believing it could happen'

Even Obama is worried about this :

In his first speech to the U.N. Security Council, U.S. President Barack Obama challenged members to think about the impact of a single nuclear bomb. He said: "Just one nuclear weapon exploded in a city -- be it New York or Moscow, Tokyo or Beijing, London or Paris -- could kill hundreds of thousands of people." The consequences, he noted, would "destabilize our security, our economies, and our very way of life."

So when I compare the current trajectory of the world with the things that I have predicted for many years now - I see the fulfilment of warnings that have been repreatedly made..

But anyone else - that lives on the diet that Australians are fed by our media outlets - would see these comments as outlandish and foolish..


Your "enlightment" is amazing, no-one else on this forum has a clue, we just believe what we read in the "Mejya".


Lucky your on the ball Blueman, by the way can you give us specific prediction you have made on this site that displays your talents?

Whilst I realise you dont have to prove anything to the likes of me, it would contribute to the discussion.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 8:21 pm 
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In answer to you TueBlueBrad:
Yes I still think we should sack Ratts but not until we have a suitable replacement in mind.
Beating a woeful Crows does not mean Ratts is any better coach my opinion of him last week. In fact my opinion is based on his performance since his inception as head coach.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 8:32 pm 
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Headcutter wrote:
In answer to you TueBlueBrad:
Yes I still think we should sack Ratts but not until we have a suitable replacement in mind.
Beating a woeful Crows does not mean Ratts is any better coach my opinion of him last week. In fact my opinion is based on his performance since his inception as head coach.


You've just kept quiet for the last 6 months and came in ranting and raving after one poor performance.

Your view would be taken more seriously if it was balanced and you showed up in the good times as well. Credit for being here a day after the game.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 8:35 pm 
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Headcutter wrote:
In answer to you TueBlueBrad:
Yes I still think we should sack Ratts but not until we have a suitable replacement in mind.
Beating a woeful Crows does not mean Ratts is any better coach my opinion of him last week. In fact my opinion is based on his performance since his inception as head coach.


in which, he has meet every task set before him?

by winning 10 games in 2008
by winning 13 games in 2009 and playing our first finals series

please, enlighten me, and everyone else, on just exactly how that isnt carlton improving every year under his coaching?

or are you going to drop the old chestnut, when we win, its becuase of the players, but when we lose its becuase of the coach?

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 8:44 pm 
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Just a question for those who are wanting Ratten to be sacked (i'm 50/50 at the moment)


Who would be your choice replacement?

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