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PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 5:07 pm 
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Steve Silvagni played school footy in the ruck...

Why, oh why didn't we sack Justin Madden??

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 5:09 pm 
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my answer would be no - they should be drafted as 21 year olds - unfortunately that's not the system.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 5:33 pm 
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dannyboy wrote:
my answer would be no - they should be drafted as 21 year olds - unfortunately that's not the system.


I agree the current drafting age is too low. Too much pressure for immature minds and bodies.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 6:39 pm 
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They are all valid points but I was coming from what these kids have at their disposal to help them succeed compared to kids coming into the game 20 years ago. They are immediately the highest paid kids in the land, they have world class facilities, they have plenty of support and they will be educated by experts in various fields. They are very lucky.
Generation Y stinks.


Who would have thought that the Baby Boomers would become a bunch of bitter old sooks?

I thought negative gearing was a good thing.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 8:39 pm 
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Few more corrections: Walker was a HBF who pushed up, and Tiller was a utility, playing HBF, wing as well as up forward. Looked at his best setting up the play.

I'm not following some of the players you've named: are you arguing that we've ruined O'Keffe's development, for example?

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 9:34 pm 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
I have seen a lot of these guys at junior level



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Browne won AA selection as a Back pocket for WA. Remember him making many attacking runs and setting up Buddy!


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Browne was drafted in '07 and didn't even play in the same state side as Buddy.


:lol:
This thread is top shelf comedy.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 8:23 am 
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Yes, an obvious mistake, and i apologise, made by trying to give as much info as possible to a topic.
After twenty years of this dates and names have a tendency to blur at times! :yikes:

Still doesn't change the basis of my discussion.
Mind you what's not surprising is the same people that purely focus on the negative and run with it!

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 8:50 am 
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Do we give our palyers a fair chance? On TC? ah no, not a hope in hell.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 8:53 am 
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Do we give our palyers a fair chance? On TC? ah no, not a hope in hell.



Some people don't, some do. Part of the point of this was try to understand what they all go through.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 9:29 am 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
BlueMark wrote:
Do we give our palyers a fair chance? On TC? ah no, not a hope in hell.



Some people don't, some do. Part of the point of this was try to understand what they all go through.


What the majority go through is expectations placed on them by supporters, far above what they are capable of producing as 18-22yr olds in the physically and mentally demanding game that is AFL.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 10:04 am 
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Yes, an obvious mistake, and i apologise, made by trying to give as much info as possible to a topic.
After twenty years of this dates and names have a tendency to blur at times! :yikes:

Still doesn't change the basis of my discussion.
Mind you what's not surprising is the same people that purely focus on the negative and run with it!


You were fabricating a situation to push an agenda. (and not for the first time)

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One point that has always confused me is the MC's need to make players into completely different players than they were. Recruiters recruit players based on a number of factors but the major one is how they perform in a game.

We have a number of players on our list that have excelled at junior level but have not stepped up. Have they not been given a chance to play in a position or role that got them to the AFL in the first place?


If you want to have a go at the MC, go for your life but lets use a few facts and realities to do so. Just making stuff up to have a potshot doesn't serve any purpose.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 7:30 pm 
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There is evidence that Men are genetically predisposed to be worse at multitasking that women.

So a complex work environment might not necessarily bring the best out of young players.

Some young players may do better by at least starting off with more straightforward and simpler structures to their working environment.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 7:37 pm 
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Some young players may do better by at least starting off with more straightforward and simpler structures to their working environment.


Like the red thing is the footy, if you get it kick it as far as you can.
If you can mange those two things in your first year we will give $70-$100k.
In your second year we will try and get your head around handballing and we might try a a spot of cooking.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 7:38 pm 
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If they're not AFL standard from a young age - technique, positioning, communication, teamwork, anticipation, decisions, bravery, concentration, agility, decisions & aggression is wht I look at aplyer when I am watching footy he shouldnt be recruited. How many players fulfill the above categries? probably not many and there are other attributes I'd like to include composure, kicking, first time pick up, staying on feet and much more.

On a scale of 20 if the don'y reach if they dont reach 10/20 at least 50% of attributes dont recruit them.

Players like Jamo, Betts, Joseph has most boxes ticked.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 7:41 pm 
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BlueMark wrote:
Do we give our palyers a fair chance? On TC? ah no, not a hope in hell.


Brock Mclean - 1/2 a practice match and he is the worst player ever to don the navy blue.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 8:06 pm 
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blue4 wrote:
If they're not AFL standard from a young age - technique, positioning, communication, teamwork, anticipation, decisions, bravery, concentration, agility, decisions & aggression is wht I look at aplyer when I am watching footy he shouldnt be recruited. How many players fulfill the above categries? probably not many and there are other attributes I'd like to include composure, kicking, first time pick up, staying on feet and much more.

On a scale of 20 if the don'y reach if they dont reach 10/20 at least 50% of attributes dont recruit them.


You may have to fight the AFL over the mandatory 3 in some draft pools :razz:


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 8:08 pm 
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blueman wrote:
There is evidence that Men are genetically predisposed to be worse at multitasking that women.

So a complex work environment might not necessarily bring the best out of young players.

Some young players may do better by at least starting off with more straightforward and simpler structures to their working environment.


What evidence????

Technically speaking there is no such thing as multi-tasking, it is merely re-directing attention :smile:


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blue4 wrote:
If they're not AFL standard from a young age - technique, positioning, communication, teamwork, anticipation, decisions, bravery, concentration, agility, decisions & aggression is wht I look at aplyer when I am watching footy he shouldnt be recruited. How many players fulfill the above categries? probably not many and there are other attributes I'd like to include composure, kicking, first time pick up, staying on feet and much more.

On a scale of 20 if the don'y reach if they dont reach 10/20 at least 50% of attributes dont recruit them.

Players like Jamo, Betts, Joseph has most boxes ticked.

You're taking the game engine of Football Manager and using it as your basis for player acquisition and development??? :lol:

By all means take something from that game as part of your philosophy on sport (because it is THE best sports management game on the planet), but don't just come on here, spout off about what you know or think should be done when all you're doing is lifting the intellectual property of a computer game company.

And do not even begin to try and tell me you aren't; that is almost to the letter. :lol:

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 9:19 pm 
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OK - women are better at redirecting attention than men.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 10:20 pm 
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blueman wrote:
OK - women are better at redirecting attention than men.



:lol: :lol: touche'


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