Yeah I know - I guess these pests hurling insults is much better.

I think you will find it a 'bit tongue in cheek' blue4.

Try not to lower yourself to the standard of some others on here. Remember we are all supposed to be supporting the same side!

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in short no. Ratten and the team deserve the opportunity to work through this challenge. I fully expect that by rd 22 there will be improvement but i anticipate some more fustration in the short term. There are a number of holes to be addressed. Why is our kicking so poor. I refute the comments we are the worst kicking team in the afl. Other teams are better at managing their weaker players. This is a something the coaching panel need to take responsibility for managing. Also is the development program in place working.

Initially ratten had to keep the team together to build belief i think we are beyond that and dropping players for unacceptable performances is appropriate.

Despite my saying no to ratten being sacked i firmly believe we need to change the coaching panel and this can be done at year end. Time to get someone from the saints or geelong.

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Well, seems the message just isn't getting through.

Perhaps if those high profile favourites who don't follow instruction and think they are guaranteed selection every week should be dropped.

The MC must make a stand and be strong in selection to set a standard . If they don't, they should be sacked.

Supporters need to support strong selection even if their favourite players happen to get the axe.

I'm not a mssive wrap for Ratten but think he is improving with the team.
Personally I susepct Malthouse would have us playing deep into the finals, in the past at our club it was money or facilities, to blame however ---now there are no excuses.
We have an imbalance in our list in that we can't recruit solid spoling defenders to save ourselves, thank god Crossica gave the heads up on Jamo, unfortunately he and Bower are very fragile. We have gone overs on rucks and unders on 192-95cm+ backs.
One thing that I trully hate is unknown one hit wonders bobing up and kicking 4 or 5 goals against us, maybe my view is myopic however this seems a very Carlton disease. Maybe our opposition homework needs to run a bit further down the batting order or maybe it's just we have little intelligence and adaptability in our defenders on match day.

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Not interested in getting into a slanging match with someone already on my foe list, but you've been advocating Ratten get the arse based on your Nostradamus-like prediction that we'll be 1-8! To suggest you'd sack him and replace him with any one of the aforementioned names in your posts smacks of 'taking the piss' or you're forgetting why it is many of your TC cohorts want Ratten sacked to begin with.

yeah it's an interesting one.
Pretty damning on the players - esp. Mids and halfbacks

Hope the tactic of calling them out will fire them up.
But it's a *slight* worry for me that Ratts is openly criticizing players in the media for not listening to him. I interpret that as a sign thatvhe is really feeling the pressure, and is starting to worry a little about his own back.

I don't have a major problem with that just yet Bluey44. And it's certainly not like Ratten is the first coach to tell the media that players haven’t followed instruction. But we’re still not entirely sure the instructions are correct. We need the players to follow them first, haha.

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It is far too premature to start talking about sacking the coach. It's not going to happen. People think he is too soft on the players. My undersanding is that he is not. He is not a tryant and he is approachable but my understanding he has got the balance tight between being a tough coach and one that the players can relate to.

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That's what I'm talking about!

Well it can all be sorted out by a solid win over the Crows.
They have a ridiculous injury toll, so there's not much excuse, with or without Bower.

I'd like to think that last Saturday's game was a seminal point in Ratt's career as a coach. The proof of that will be the remainder of the season. All sides have their moments both good and bad, it's more the case of minimising the bad. This is where the leadership comes to the fore (or not!) If any more efforts like that are served up by the team then ......

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Nope we are either the 5th worst or second worst depending on how you look at.

Cheers

What is worying in The Age article quoted in Rexy's blurb is that Ratts is putting all the blame on his players.

How about him not getting his message across. He has had 3 years to do it.

And it is 5 months since Fevola left.

Yes, players need to be dropped, fresh blood should be brought in but everyone should admit to their own failures and try to improve.

If Ratts has a more attacking gameplan ie through the corridor, let's see it. He must bring in Hadley to get the ball out to Judd and Murphy, play Walker wing or forward of centre and it will straighten the whole team up. Everything else will follow.

By the way, be adventurous and bring White in rather than Wiggins. Keep introducing fresh blood.

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Cokc.

He did have three opportunities during the game to provide instruction.
Why weren't they listening then?

Ratts argument doesn't hold water. Even against the pitiful Tigers we took the ball from the left HBF via the FB to the right HBF and along the southern stand wing and ended up in the FP. Thankfully for us they are useless and we could record a reasonable win. This game plan has been shown up as utter crap against quality opposition.

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The way I see it, fundamentally we do the following:

- Take it down a channel available, the more central the better
if not
- Switch to open one up
if not
- Go long to a tall option

Every team in the league defends the corridor, and seemingly a lot of our boys are too mentally lazy to try and create an opening through there, with the odd exception of Gibbs, Bower, Judd & Russell. The rest just take whatever's on offer, which typically dries up at CHF because they and their corresponding team mates receiving the ball couldn't execute quickly enough.

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They added another option for the Essendon* game;

- kick it out on the full.

They let themselves get forced wide, and succumb to pressure (implied or otherwise), when you scrub a kick that close to the boundary, it's going to happen. It's pathetic, but it makes sense.

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Our best games last year were beating Geelong and coming back from 5 goals down against the saints to be denied by a Houlihan miss. In those 2 games we ran the ball and handballed and took risks. Things we aren't doing now.
I would like to see more consistency. We shouldnt change the way we play because its not Geelong. The players will be better off (and hence the team) where the jumper we are facing doesnt change the style of play markedly.

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