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PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 1:39 pm 
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is there any reason why Hadley couldn't play the role that Bower usually does, if necessary?
Ditto Russell?

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 1:51 pm 
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bluegirl72 wrote:
is there any reason why Hadley couldn't play the role that Bower usually does, if necessary?
Ditto Russell?

Russell does when he gets the chance if you mean corridor runs. Just got dragged a bit out of the play against the Bombers. Might have been the first time it's happened to him since his HB switch. Lesson for him.

As for Hadley - too slow, and would get chopped up in the air. It's a case of White, Austin or Davies if you want to bring someone in.

White - best chance physically but will he add to the run like Bower?
Austin - needs miles in the legs in the VFL first.
Davies - Quick, tall, good in the air and provides run, but is he ready to take on tall opponents if necessary?

I'd like to drop Waite back first, then try a Davies/Waite combo if that doesn't work. Ratts could put Davies into midfield if he doesn't have a defensive match-up.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 1:55 pm 
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Ta Jimmae. :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 2:17 pm 
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McLean confirmed out. Bower unlikely :cry:

Is Grigg still serving the suspension? Hadley will obviously come in. Anyone think Marcus Davies a chance to debut?


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 2:18 pm 
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http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/ ... fault.aspx

Article confirming the post above.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 4:02 pm 
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Blues Forever wrote:
McLean confirmed out. Bower unlikely :cry:

Is Grigg still serving the suspension? Hadley will obviously come in. Anyone think Marcus Davies a chance to debut?

Heard Ratten today, McLean out, he said he should only miss one week.
Bower is 50/50, so in other words hes not playing.
Grigg got a one week suspension so he can play.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 4:37 pm 
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According to Ratten/The Age, reading btw the lines:

IN:

Judd
Garlett
Hadley
Wiggins

Out:

McLean
??
??
??

He mentions Lucas playing with Judd, you'd think he's safe.

In the gun maybe Thornton, Robinson, Houlihan, Walker, Warnock?? 3 of those out.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 4:48 pm 
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Warnock must be dropped, he is no good. Any bloke that big should not be trying to tap a ball to a teammate instead of marking it.... not good enough.
Bring in Jacobs

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 4:58 pm 
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For me the decision on Warnock is a big deal. If Ratts drops him I think it’s a good sign, as it shows that past mistakes (ie paying over the odds for him), whether perceived or actual, have not clouded his current decisions. If he doesn’t drop him the cynic in me will think that they want to save face for having paid so much for him.

Because in terms of his performance so far (when you have Jacobs in good form waiting in the wings), he should be dropped.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 5:15 pm 
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For me the decision on Warnock is a big deal. If Ratts drops him I think it’s a good sign, as it shows that past mistakes (ie paying over the odds for him), whether perceived or actual, have not clouded his current decisions. If he doesn’t drop him the cynic in me will think that they want to save face for having paid so much for him.

Because in terms of his performance so far (when you have Jacobs in good form waiting in the wings), he should be dropped.


Matthew Kreuzer against Ess
21 hit outs and 11 disposals
Kreuzer also had 4 tackles.

Robert Warnock against Ess
16 hit outs and 9 disposals
Warnock also had 3 tackles.

Not much difference in that woeful game. I'm sure you can actually teach the players at training on the mistakes that were made during the game. For me, Warnock atleast gets his hands on the ball in the ruck and can palm it down to the players. Kruzer might get taps but it goes anywhere, but kruzer makes up for it around the field.

I just think the more senior games he plays, the quicker he will develop. When l was playing junior tennis, l developed a lot quicker against harder competition, then playing a easier level of play. Same as football. You haven't got as much time as you would in the AFL, compared to VFL.

Warnock has only played 24 games of AFL. He is still a 2nd year player virtually. I think your got more benefit playing him in AFL, then dropping him to the reserves against easier/weaker opponents.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 5:16 pm 
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Navy Blue Horse wrote:
According to Ratten/The Age, reading btw the lines:

IN:

Judd
Garlett
Hadley
Wiggins

Out:

McLean
??
??
??

He mentions Lucas playing with Judd, you'd think he's safe.

In the gun maybe Thornton, Robinson, Houlihan, Walker, Warnock?? 3 of those out.


Watching Ratts' presser, looks like Setanta might on the chopping block. Said there'll be a change with the forward structure. Intimated Garlett might get the nod.
Also said White was 'very close'.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 5:20 pm 
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They can't be thinking about dropping O'Hailpin. He's been our best player (fire away) this season.

I'd suppose he would be thinking of dropping Waite back, or even sending Hendo back to play on the other tall, with Garlett and Wiggins coming in to change the forward structure.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 5:24 pm 
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bluechampion wrote:
They can't be thinking about dropping O'Hailpin. He's been our best player (fire away) this season.

I'd suppose he would be thinking of dropping Waite back, or even sending Hendo back to play on the other tall, with Garlett and Wiggins coming in to change the forward structure.


Ratts said he was disappointed by the effort of our 'talls'. Brought up Setanta having only 1 possession (smother-goal).

I wouldn't have thought Setanta would be dropped but Ratts sounded pretty dirty with that.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 5:25 pm 
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bluechampion wrote:
They can't be thinking about dropping O'Hailpin. He's been our best player (fire away) this season.



This may not make sense...but Irish's 8 or 9 goals IMO are clouding how ordinary he's been.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 5:31 pm 
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Navy Blue Horse wrote:
bluechampion wrote:
They can't be thinking about dropping O'Hailpin. He's been our best player (fire away) this season.



This may not make sense...but Irish's 8 or 9 goals IMO are clouding how ordinary he's been.


So, if he plays well he'll win the Brownlow?


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big ground at aami, lets go with youth and speed and run them ragged. Welcome back C.Judd

IN
Garlett
Judd
Wiggins
Sauce

OUT
Mclean
Robinson
Houlihan
Warnock

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 5:44 pm 
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Don't think they should drop Setanta or Warnock.
I believe we play better with Setanta in the team. He scrambles, he tries hard and he CAN mark and kick goals although he did not do well last week (he took some great contested marks last year).
He should have done better against the Bombers but there were several far worse than him. The delivery to him was terrible, usually hanging in the air while his opponent caught up to spoil.

Warnock needs time. Hopefully, each match results in clear lessons of what not to do (& what to do).
Also, while he definitely needs to learn to mark, my dad tells me that Nicholls used to go up in a pack and deliberately palm it down to rovers (Gallagher?) while everyone else was trying to mark... not a bad option if done intentionally.

Both Ratts and the players stuffed up last week. Ratten should have had a strategy to counter what everyone knew Essendon* would do and the players should have had the endeavour to win against such an undermanned team, even if the strategy was lacking.

We need to learn and improve FAST. I'm additionally pissed off b/c in the off-chance that we are able to do so and can win a few of the next killer matches, it will all be attributed to Judd, in the minds of the players. As distinct from StKilda who clearly now believe they can do it with or without Riewoldt.


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bluechampion wrote:
Navy Blue Horse wrote:
bluechampion wrote:
They can't be thinking about dropping O'Hailpin. He's been our best player (fire away) this season.



This may not make sense...but Irish's 8 or 9 goals IMO are clouding how ordinary he's been.


So, if he plays well he'll win the Brownlow?


No, but he may stop dropping marks and running around like a headless chook

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 6:02 pm 
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Several of Fev's goals have been classic Setanta-isms... soccering off the ground in a scrap.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 6:37 pm 
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Goltzenberg wrote:
The Spornstar wrote:
For me the decision on Warnock is a big deal. If Ratts drops him I think it’s a good sign, as it shows that past mistakes (ie paying over the odds for him), whether perceived or actual, have not clouded his current decisions. If he doesn’t drop him the cynic in me will think that they want to save face for having paid so much for him.

Because in terms of his performance so far (when you have Jacobs in good form waiting in the wings), he should be dropped.


Matthew Kreuzer against Ess
21 hit outs and 11 disposals
Kreuzer also had 4 tackles.

Robert Warnock against Ess
16 hit outs and 9 disposals
Warnock also had 3 tackles.

Not much difference in that woeful game. I'm sure you can actually teach the players at training on the mistakes that were made during the game. For me, Warnock atleast gets his hands on the ball in the ruck and can palm it down to the players. Kruzer might get taps but it goes anywhere, but kruzer makes up for it around the field.

I just think the more senior games he plays, the quicker he will develop. When l was playing junior tennis, l developed a lot quicker against harder competition, then playing a easier level of play. Same as football. You haven't got as much time as you would in the AFL, compared to VFL.

Warnock has only played 24 games of AFL. He is still a 2nd year player virtually. I think your got more benefit playing him in AFL, then dropping him to the reserves against easier/weaker opponents.


I don't disagree that playing him in the seniors might fast track his development - but IMO that's giving Warnock favourable treatment over Jacobs. I think Warock is in poor form and Jacobs deserves his chance.


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