Blues being hurt by turnovers stats show



It's interesting we have the coach saying that we should hold onto the ball a bit more - I'm not sure how we can do that given the number of poor kicks we have in the team.

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He is only saying that because basically he has nothing else to say and thinks that is why St Kilda and Hawthorn have been successful.

Source?

If some of our players can't kick, won't we turn it over any way by moving it on quickly?

That's basically the final margin right there.

We never run with the ball and thus leave ourselves open to more skill errors unlike other teams which run and create.

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Good article.
Now let's see what Ratts and the brains trust can do with the stats

so he's got us winning clearances, tackling and contested ball not bad for a bloke who can't coach. mind you, he should be out there kicking the @#$%&! thing for 'em.

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Don't need tell stats to tell me that turnovers are costing us. Thought it was pretty self evident just by watching the give.

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Thornton and Anderson both committed multiple errors down back in the first two games but while Anderson gets the chop seems Thornton is a protected species

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The article pointed out that if we exclude the Richmond game, a game in which we were comfortably in control and little pressure exerted on us that we drop to 15th in the league. That is woeful.

Is increasing the efficiency of players disposing of the ball under pressure is something that is coachable?

Star players ie Judd, Ablett etc seem to have so much time even when being tackled to get rid of the ball with pin point accuracy

Setanta after all these years you still have no idea if he is going to pull down a screamer play on and kick a beauty or miss a sitter or kick it out on the full. Is he just not coachable? Robbo also comes to mind but he is helluva lot younger and still has the potential to improve.

Thornton seems to have a form issue as he was way better last year.

I wouldn't be surprised if these stats counted some efforts where he's had to secure the loose ball and the bounce hasn't fallen his way with two opposition players on his tether. Happened once each in the last two matches.

Then there was his kick which was turned over just forward of CHB because no one was making any kind of genuine lead, and he had to squeeze a kick no more than 15-20 metres ahead of him at the last second. Didn't pan out. The others would be long kicks.

Anderson had basic handling errors and got caught holding the ball. Big difference VB - but sure - let's throw away what actually happened and mash them altogether as though they are the same thing.


We run plenty, we just don't support said run, or properly take advantage of it.

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Not that i was in the best frame of mind walking out of the MCG on Saturday night, but listening to the raidio, and if i recall correctly, we are something like negative 80 or more points from turnovers whilst St Kilda had coughed up 1 goal from the first 3 rounds - herein lies the difference.

even if these numbers aren't quite spot on - the problem is obvious.

so the question - who is ultimately responsible for this?

We really really need to sack the skills coach. Can anybody confirm this is Craig Bradley?

Clearly our skills aren't up to scratch... somebody needs to be held accountable. The proof is in the pudding right here!!


Somebody needs to be sacked over this disgraceful effort. Drop a few players and if Ratten is not sacked... get rid of Craig.

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What the stats say is he has the cattle on the field. Turnovers and errors are just a part of the human trait of making a mistake. We all make them. My point is that
1) Hellas Blue is right on the mark. You will make more mistakes from stagnant play rather than a more urgent play. There are lots of reasons, too much time to think, losing instictiveness, your momentum and that of the person you are passing to, having your opponent halfway up your backside because you've given him the time to man up, and the perceived pressure that comes with that. Running into space camouflages turnovers cause if the target isn't perfect, you may have 1-3 seconds to collect the ball. Think about it. If Thornton passes to Simpson on a wing and misses him by 5-10 metres, and there's no one within cooey of him, Simpson, by the very fact that he is in motion will probably pick up the ball in a couple of seconds and the crowd won't care as much that Thornton missed the target in the first place.
2) Turnovers and errors can also be influenced by the mental state of the player. If there is any confusion about the message coming from above or the script that needs to be followed, players are much less forthright and much more anxious with their decision making

I don't know if the players are confused or not, or if that dreaded 'gameplan' comes into question. I'm happy to admit, I don't know. What I do know is that we have been beaten consistently by at least 4 four teams in Ratten's tenure. That is a worry. Another worry is that I have now heard from two different sources in the newspaper over the last 12 months that there is a perception that Ratten's structures are disorganised, and that two senior players last year were cautioned/punished for mouthing off to other players that Ratten's message was confusing and constantly changing. Yes it's just the media, but sometimes you have sit up and listen

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I'm not going to give u a play by play, bec I haven't seen the games twice, but I do recall against Bris 2 unforgivable errors by Thornton

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I agree they were both under no pressure at all.
One of his turnovers on Saturday night was because he was not prepared to take a hit. He was on the boundary line and would have been bumped over the line but instead he decided to kick it before contact and the ball went 10 metres and over the boundary line. Mark Williams took the free and slotted it through.

so winning clearances, tackling, winning contested ball - that's a player's skill, but kicking out of bounds nine times, missing easy set shots on goal, missing leading targets, etc - that's the coaches fault.

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it does when you have an agenda.

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It' all a minset and attitude. Throw in time and space. Clearances, tackling and contested ball are all closed in actions requiring instinct and reptilian like decision making. We win them because we have the players, thanks to Denis Pagan' ineptness. Outside the hurly burly of the stoppage, players have more time to think and execute. This is where uncertainty is magnified. Maybe the 'on the full' kicks occurred cause we have some shite kickers in our team. Or maybe they occurred cause the player wasn't 100% sure what their role was in that instant, or if they knew their role but could not see other players in their role.

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I dont know my role so Im just going to kick the ball OOF



Thats gold!!

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