Blind Freddy could tell that Ratten needed tactical and experienced help in the coaches box last year. So in the off season, we bring in more inexperience and continue with the muppets (Lappin & Teague), instead of recruiting successful, experienced assistants.

Either Ratten is insecure to bring in more experienced assistants or that these guys do not want to work for him or worse, he does not believe that help is needed in these areas.

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Scott, things aren't as happy as they used to be down here at the unemployment office. Joblessness is no longer just for Philosophy majors - useful people are starting to feel the pinch.

2007 - 4 wins
2008 - 10 wins
2009 - 13 wins and our first final series in years

but yeah, he and the club are showing no improvment what so ever.

ratten out now!!

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Got to love the stare Down by Setanta on Llyod

Either do I, but he's none of those things and to suggest he should be dropped...and I know thats not what you're doing KK...is ridiculous and shows you have no idea how footy is played these days.

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"The ability to speak doesn't make you intelligent." Qui-Gon Jinn 15-05-2005

"there’s more chance of me becoming the full forward for the [Western Bulldogs] than there is of any change in the Labor Party." Julia Gillard 18-05-2010

OK ... I don't think Ratten should be sacked or will be sacked. I will admit tho ... patience is wearing thin. I was at the game ... a very porr standard game from both team ... and humiliating to play that badly and let a crap team like Essendon* beat us.

If we do go for a new coach later on ... I reckon you would need to consider Silvani.

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I am as mad as hell and I'm not going to take it any more!!!

Or Silvagni.

Well, wouldn't that just continue the boys club people around here hate so much.

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"The ability to speak doesn't make you intelligent." Qui-Gon Jinn 15-05-2005

"there’s more chance of me becoming the full forward for the [Western Bulldogs] than there is of any change in the Labor Party." Julia Gillard 18-05-2010

Think of this analogy:

A pilot is piloting a plane to its destination. Part of the way into the flight, severe crosswinds blow the plane off course. Does the pilot turn back to his point of origin, and start again? Or does he correct and make adjustments, and still arrive at his destination?

Now, substitute "Pilot" with "Coach", and "Destination" with "Premiership".

Our coach has a vehicle able to get us to the destination. Turning back and starting again would be a bad move at this stage.

Ratten has to be allowed to make the adjustments without bleating at every move (yes, I know, that bleating will happen here, more shrill each time), and his season can't be judged on one poor show, 3 rounds into 22.

People here really are simpletons, sometimes.

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And so while others miserably pledge themselves to the pursuit of ambition and brief power, I will be stretched out in the shade, singing.

KK. The pilot hasn't come close to his required 1000 hours. The plane is in OK shape, but the pilot is completely undecided whether to drop 10,000 feet under the turbulence, or simply stay at 30000 feet and hope it simply 'comes right.'

Getting a new coach doesn't mean you have to return back to your original starting point. I know Ross Lyon wasn't an instant hit, but St Kilda weren't transported back to 2001 when he came in.

I reckon some of you are as deluded as coach and senior staff at the club!

Why the @#$%&! do we need to simply put Silvagni in Ratten's place?!!? WTF is our club? A country club for ex-players?

Find the best, get the best! Simple

Sorry but this is the one of sad legacy of Pratt's tenureship. Not following due process with the coaching appointment post-Pagan.

FFS, time to follow best practice not stick with early 1900's philosophy!

We are on the precipice of turning into Richmond folks. A mediocre culture satisfied with mid table results, making half-arsed decision sanctified by distant past glories of when we were once great. Quite sickening actually...

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C'mon Blueboys!

That is the most simple argument for the pro-Ratts camp.

What constitutes a pass mark this year? 10 wins?

Ratts has taken us from a bottom side, to a mid-range side. Thing is we want to go further, and to do that you need more than what he has shown so far. I don't think hes got it, I could be wrong, but I have seen no improvements from his as a coach from when he first took over to now.

He was average to begin with, taking us out of the Pagan dark ages, but he hasn't improved at all. If he has improved in any area, from say 2008, I would be curious to what it is.

Essendon* made six with 2 first gamers
If you want success you have to lift the bar
As I said after sat night winning isnt as important as changing the mindset of some of our players who are lazy and obviously up themselves.
I wouldnt drop McLean if he wasnt injured by the way

The problem is at the moment I don't think its really the players although several need a kick up the arse.

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Pilots fly to a flight plan...Ratts does not have one so when things get a little foggy he will end up flying us into a cliff face....

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You forgot one option. The correct one. Ratten asked for a particular experienced strategist. His request was refused. The experienced strategist had 2 offers on the table. He liked the look of Carlton. He didn't get an offer. He's very happy at his new club.

Let's face it - Fevola made Ratten look good

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Don't forget Judd!

IMO the ability of Judd as a player and as an on field leader has masked a lot of the problems we have. Last year we won a lot of games by less than a kick based on Judd's ability to win the ball, make the correct decisions under pressure and bring other players into the game.

The last three weeks has shown how he has made Ratten and the MC look good.

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

My biggest concern with Ratten is the way he speaks. Too much 'yeah'; 'we sort of thought'. I hope he doesn't speak to the players like that. The other concern for me was the 3/4 time huddle. Ratten didn't speak to the players when they first came together....in fact he had his back to them. Then he only spoke to them for say a couple of mins....and that involved talking to the bloody whiteboard....nothing beyond that. The occasion required a lot more....disappointing.

Every other team is the same. How many times has Ablett or Selwood or J.Brown or Roo or (Insert name here) dragged their team over the line. Good players do that. So what.

In Rd 2 we had the Lions beat but the players not the Coach lost it with poor disposal at crucial times under no pressure and poor conversion. This week was similar. Blame Ratts as much as you like, but blind freddie could see many senior players were well down on workrate, intensity and smarts. That may be Ratts fault but the seniors players have to take pride in the performance. The senior players have to throw themselves in like Robbo at every contest. Going through the motions for $300,000+ per year is not exceptable.

Regards Cazzesman

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Ricky Gervais - “Everyone has the right to hold whatever beliefs they want. And everyone else has the right to find those beliefs f***ing ridiculous.”

One would hope then that these players are taken to task and held accountable. Their response this coming weekend will be interesting to say the least!

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"our electorate seeks less to be informed and more to be validated." Sad times.

Touché!

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And so while others miserably pledge themselves to the pursuit of ambition and brief power, I will be stretched out in the shade, singing.