When we see the side next week it will be considerably different from the one that played Richmond last year- most notably Judd and Fevola - stevens is also missing -as we know those 3 got us across the line many times in the last 3 years but now it is for the likes of thorton carrazzo scotland wiggins waite simpson to come out of the guys shadows and lead and get us across the line in the first few matches -all have played now for a number of years all need to step up to the mantle and get our young ones up

Murph kreuz and gibbs all have a role to play as well but those more seasoned players need to shine it is their hour - 12 days time they need to lead us to victory against the Tigers

Apart from Simpson everyone of these guys -let us down last night -thorton jamo carrazzo mclean waite scotland
STOP hiding behind Judd all of you have some self respect and bleed for your club
Pathetic performance -worst effort for the last 3 years and that is saying something
Lead or get out and move over for kreuz and murphy

Disgraceful that Kane Lucas showed more composure than all of these apart from Simmo last night

McLean seems to have an excuse, and Waitey is returning from a reco, so they get off the hook. But the rest were just very ordinary, and never seemed willing to "bleed for the club" as you say. Don't care if we lose to the Crows next week, but just want to see them fly the flag.

Agree Frank - many that are supposedly 'leaders' did not grab the bull by the horns and take control. What the F**k is Ray Maclean and leading teams teaching the people at this club?

I am insensed with rage after the most pathetic performance by a Carlton team for a very long time. Lacked heart or poise.

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For some silly reason, you people want to assassinate him, and it's just rubbish. You people. All of you, ALL of you!