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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 11:28 pm 
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Cazzesman wrote:
Pros
Yarran
Eddie
Hendo (struggled against Mr Gadget but never stopped presenting)

Cons
Insipid, panicked performance by the majority of senior players.


Go your hardest TC.

Regards Cazzesman


What will get done about it?? The problem is there'll likely be no consequence.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 11:29 pm 
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If Ratts cant get them to play with heart over the next few weeks i will agree with you JAK. But tonight he could have had the best game plan in the world and we would have still lost as the players just didnt want it. If the players are not going to tackle hard , run hard and apply relentless pressure then Ratts' doesnt stand a chance. The team we put out tonight should have won playing with richmonds gamestyle. They just didnt care tonight.


C'mon club, it's the coaching departments job and responsibility to prepare the team mentally and tactically for each game.
Clearly we were nowhere near prepared enough.

You can't keep deflecting responsibilty from the coaching staff forever.


Rexy, I know its the coaches job to get them to play with heart and tonight for whatever reason they just looked like they didnt want to be there. If you could measure their intensity it would have been about a 3 out of ten. No gameplan is going to work with that amount of intensity. Same as when we chinned the Cats last year. They used their faultless gameplan but were not switched on and we smashed them.
If the blues come out and play heartless football over the next month i will be right there with you calling for a change of coach (and i will add a few players).

You can't keep deflecting responsibilty from the players forever.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 11:32 pm 
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PROS:

Riewoldt got injured
Collingwood lost
Eastlink.....what a marvellous road. Built purely for those of us on the peninsula, and no-one uses it! Had a dream run to the "G". 1 hr 15 from Blair.

CONS:
Eastlink.....because no one uses it, i could have left home an hour later instead of sitting at an empty ground for 1.5 hrs before the game.

PROS....again
Eastlink.... got home early cause no one uses it.

Cons... again

WE WERE SHIT.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 11:33 pm 
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Cons
The crap that the CFC (once great club) dished up tonight
plus everything that's already been mentioned in this thread

Pros
We improved on last years debacle :roll: .... then again perhaps we didn't

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 11:39 pm 
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Pros:
Joey nailed Tessa.

Cons:
Caitlin found out.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 11:46 pm 
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Pro
Its another day tomorrow
We played Richmond in the first round
Tonight shows how far we need to go
I haven't got Foxtel so won't see Adelaide choke the life out of us next week
Con

Pathetic predictable insipid performance
Kicking how many kicks went out on the full
Skills deplorable
Hopelessly impotent up forward
Missed the first 3 shots for goal -happens every week
Completely outcoached
Slow as treacle
Kick outs let's just give them goals then at least the ball goes back to the centre
9 Essendon* goals from our mistake
Played crap and lost by 20 points
Can anyone on our list take a contested mark


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 11:48 pm 
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pro - we only play Essendon* twice a year

con
Waite - BV was right - he is not a key forward - mind you he sure learnt off Fev how to lead out to the chalk!
T-Bird - Great J. Cloke type footballer.


Biggest con

this club just shits itself against Essendon*.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 11:50 pm 
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Pros : NONE ( When you have an entire team who didnt want to be there from the first bounce, some serious questions must be asked. Shame on such a pathetic attitude.


Are we missing something? Are the boys occupied with something else? how can an entire football club turns up to a game Switched off with a body language that says to you " i don't give a Ratt, i don't want to be here? "



CONS:


Waite: He is my number one CON. He is Lost, confused and has lost all his Spark. I Blame Ratten for it. Find him a permanent position and let him play there all year. Seeing him tonight playing loose in Defense was laughable. Why doesn't he settle for a FF position? We need forwards who can kick goals....


Carlos/Hendo : Average forwards who can't kick. Service players who will give u few goals but the high expectations that we put on them, thinking they are going to make up Fevola's loss is So deceiving. They are not Match Winners.


Walker: Again, being played out of position and getting lost and confused. Shocking Disposal.


Armfield: Can't Kick.... Butchered the ball going forward


Out of bounce on the Full : Amazing 9 out of Bounce on the Full for a single Game. How awful were our kicking? Shockingggggg


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 11:59 pm 
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CON: I can't remember who said it, but I too lost may faith tonight. A more insipid performance at this stage of the season I can't remember.

Ratten is the worst coach in the league, bar none. He got flogged again by the second worst tonight.

The Woori Yallock 3rds could run out in a red and black jumper against the blues and we would shit ourselves.

Kade Simpson should have been named captain for all 3 games. He is the only one who could hold his head up tonight and the only one that runs himself into the ground week in week out.

I'm sick of players going half hearted at the ball. Thornton, Carrazzo, Houlihan and even Gibbs. Their lack of intesity is alarming.

I can't speak any more cos I might just lose it all together.

PS can I just say that I want to rip Ray Chamberlain's throat out of his ugly @#$%&! head....

the end

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 11:59 pm 
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More Cons

Is there anyone........anyone at all in our team who can mark in a contest ? It certainly ain't any of our KP players, forward or back. Certainly isn't 206, and if we drop him for Hammer, well he can't even mark mark on his own !!

Pro

Wiggler can mark it. Welcome back Wiggo after bagging 5 today :clap: :clap:


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 12:03 am 
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Pros:

* I don't believe Ratten should be sacked
* Russell held us together down back early
* Army put his body on the line and got knocked into Clifton Hill but got back up and kept going
* Simmo put his hand up ... few of his teammates seemed to care though
* Betts was electric, as was Yarran (but 3AW, please stop calling them the "young aboriginal boys" :banghead: )
* Kreuzer is a star
* Lucas made a decent debut and showed glimpses, knows where to run

Cons:

* Ratten was badly outcoached tonight. Did not make the moves. Played attacking weapons like Walker as defenders. Needed to have Scotland behind the ball as soon as T-bird was injured and lost movement. Needed to clog the corridor and force the bombers wide. Some of this may have been players not playing to instruction, who knows.
* The players did not play to any plan or structure. I watched tonight and couldn't see any of the patterns apparent in the first two games ... or any discernible pattern, it looked like chaos out there.
* Players did not run for each other, neither to make space or link up or to add support at the contest ... what was wrong with these guys, they all looked like they were playing with hangovers!
* Disagree with the selection of Brock. Hard to say given his hip knock in Q1 but given that he came into the game with a back issue and we were playing perhaps the fastest team in the comp, unless the strategy was to create stoppages (which if it was the Blues failed at terribly), he should have been left out for this game to recover and to bring more run in.
* Disposal. Many senior players were horrible in disposal tonight: Houlihan #1, Walks, Scotland and Waite. Horrible night for the many of the senior players. Blues can't win with a disposal efficiency of 65%, the tightness of the comp doesn't allow it.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 12:19 am 
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The caps we received with our membership are cheap shit, crap :thanks:

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 12:26 am 
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The membership caps are a disgrace, they look ok but are poor quality fabric and fall apart............................ Guess they were made to match the team.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 1:05 am 
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pro - we served up shitter performances than that against Essendon* last year, with judd and fevola, and we still made the finals.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 1:12 am 
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Not an easy night for Lucas to debut with the team playing so badly.
Forget "serviceable", in the circumstances he played very well indeed IMO.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 1:33 am 
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vangipuss wrote:
pro - we served up shitter performances than that against Essendon* last year, with judd and fevola, and we still made the finals.


There will be no finals for us this year.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 3:11 am 
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Pros
Armfield tried his guts out all night
Yarran showed glimpses and did some nice things, but not quite there yet - plenty of time
Hendo was great for mine in effort and kept trying.
Kane looked good in patches
Eddie tried hard

Cons
Looked rudderless and a bit confused at times
Gibbs listed in the best in the age - they must have the wrong game result - he was well below par, but had plenty of mates.
Dissapointed in Scotland - he was not alone, but he had a bad one for mine
a few supporters and opposition who were compelled to call Hendo "Fev" or "Fev's replacement all game."
Brock was down after two great games in a row
The forward line structure and entry still need a fair bit of work yet
Hmmm I hope Walks has a return to form. Agree with whoever mentioned before that it wasn't the best match up for him.
I hate Reimers more than Monfies

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 9:56 am 
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club29 wrote:
Rexy wrote:
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If Ratts cant get them to play with heart over the next few weeks i will agree with you JAK. But tonight he could have had the best game plan in the world and we would have still lost as the players just didnt want it. If the players are not going to tackle hard , run hard and apply relentless pressure then Ratts' doesnt stand a chance. The team we put out tonight should have won playing with richmonds gamestyle. They just didnt care tonight.


C'mon club, it's the coaching departments job and responsibility to prepare the team mentally and tactically for each game.
Clearly we were nowhere near prepared enough.

You can't keep deflecting responsibilty from the coaching staff forever.


Rexy, I know its the coaches job to get them to play with heart and tonight for whatever reason they just looked like they didnt want to be there. If you could measure their intensity it would have been about a 3 out of ten. No gameplan is going to work with that amount of intensity. Same as when we chinned the Cats last year. They used their faultless gameplan but were not switched on and we smashed them.
If the blues come out and play heartless football over the next month i will be right there with you calling for a change of coach (and i will add a few players).

You can't keep deflecting responsibilty from the players forever.


There are senior players who are most definitely overrated by us supporters and seemingly the MC as well as they are continually placed in prominent roles which they can't consistently perform at an acceptable level.
Does the confidence level of our 23 and unders subconsciously drop when those senior players are having the down moments?


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 10:26 am 
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club29 wrote:
Juddy&theKruezers wrote:
livolover wrote:
extremely disappointing....but awfully predictable !

pros

1. tonight marks the beginning of the end....for B Ratten - smart people make mistakes, stupid people make the same mistake twice...but only B Ratten makes the same mistake over and over again !

(Sidenote - The truly amusing thing is that the closest ratts has come to beating Essendon* as coach was in his first game against them when we were actually trying to lose !!!!!!)


Exactly...Ratts is a top bloke but not a coach..



If Ratts cant get them to play with heart over the next few weeks i will agree with you JAK. But tonight he could have had the best game plan in the world and we would have still lost as the players just didnt want it. If the players are not going to tackle hard , run hard and apply relentless pressure then Ratts' doesnt stand a chance. The team we put out tonight should have won playing with richmonds gamestyle. They just didnt care tonight.

Pro:- Lucas

Con:- Lazy players


But isn't that the point. If the players aren't playing with unbridled passion and spirit, then the coach has to take responsibilty. Otherwise, call in a consultant, devise a game plan and let the players execute it week in week out, since the coach isn't responsible for what happens on the field. Read any book on leadership and you will find that great leaders inspire best practice in their followers, who are then inspired to become leaders themselves. Gibbs is a perfect case in point. Nothing more than serviceable, yet he should be blossoming and showing the world he is taking the club by the horns and moving it in the right direction.\
And, the fact that our stats (clearances, f50 etc) look OK is even more of an indictment. It means we have the talent, but that talent is not being harnessed correctly. Don't know who our next premiership coach will be, but 99.9% certain it aint Ratten.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 10:29 am 
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Pi$$ing myself, almost as funny as Zombieland :clap:[/quote]

Did you know you can actually type "pissing" and that Zombieland has been well discussed on here 6 months or more ago?[/quote]

Hmm, why the need to be a smart arse?[/quote]


Why do you give him airtime? Leave him be to amuse himself. Do what most people here do. Just use the "SKIP" function

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