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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 10:59 pm 
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Essendon* get a huge buzz out of beating us ... I don't think our players have much hurt that corresponds with this, otherwise we would have rolled them ... this on paper would be the worst football team I have seen Essendon* put on the park ... judging by the way we come out from the beginning it appears to me that we were never really up for it.

Besides a serviceable debut from Lucas there was little to be impressed by.

Ratten is falling for the same Essendon* trick time and time again.

On our players ... why do we have so many players on our list that are terrible with their disposal, have a poor first contact with the football, lack footy smarts and lack running instinct.

And finally ... can our match committee start selecting on merit !



We have a serious lack of footy class at CFC!

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 11:01 pm 
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I was so angry i was ready to throw the remote at the teev. Our "great" midfield was beaten again when it counted. Our forward structure is non existant and our backline is under more pressure than it can handle. As far as the coaching a sure sign that Ratts isn't the man is Jordan Russell is still taking the kickouts from full back! I like JR his intensity is great buit he has always been suspect with his disposal by foot and he is our nominated kicker, doesn't make a hell of a lot of sense. There is no doubt we have reverted back to old ways and with the next four weeks I can't find a win to be had. The coach (like it or not) will be skating on thin ice with 1/8 win loss ratio by the end of round nine.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 11:04 pm 
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absolutely woeful game.
we are not going to beat Essendon* until we stop letting them run through the corridor eveytime and we end up playing way wide...
Ratten has to change his plan of attack (if he has one) - it has been 3 bloody years. :banghead:
I think a few changes necessary for next week, someone called for hampson but i went to training yesterday and he didnt train at all and only saw him inside the new gym at the end wearing thongs and casual clothes anyone know whats wrong with him? he may have been a handy in even to be another person on the forward line.
Scary thought that our next 5 rounds are adelaide at aami, geelong, collingwood, st kilda and port at aami.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 11:04 pm 
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players and coaching staff should be made to run up and down lygon st day and night for 3 days, and apologise as they go!!!! after that the players should be forced to take goalkicking practise for 36 straight hours or till they cant lift their @#$%&! legs...

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 11:05 pm 
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our strategies were non existent.
some people bagging setanta - thought he tried hard and did ok. problem was we keep kicking wide and most kicks into the forwards bounce before the leading player.
concerned about warnock's marking.
too many players can't kick.
although, even murphy was fumbling tonight... we just freak out every time we play these pretenders.
WE NEED TO GO DOWN THE MIDDLE. WE NEED TO BACK OUR PLAYERS AGAINST OTHERS MORE OFTEN.
AND WE NEED TO WANT TO WIN.
don't think it would have been much different with judd in the side. nor fev.
we lost the last 5 times with them both in the team. we lose the same way each time.
they kill us down the middle. they want to win more than we seem to.

(also, the umpires were SHOCKING! however, we deserved to lose by 6 goals.)

can't believe what happened tonight.
can not believe it.

i can handle losing to better teams. i could even see the positives from playing pretty well but losing last week. but we cannot be a serious team until we win the games we are supposed to win.

unbelievable.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 11:08 pm 
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i think we broke a record this week. I have never seen a side have so many "out of bounds on the full" kicked. Off the top of my head, we must have gotten close to double figures.

Why isnt Gibbs played in the middle? I may be wrong, but i cannot recall him being in the set up and a centre bounce.

Was McLean injured before the game or during? If it was prior, why did we play him when we have Hads sitting in the stands.

Absolutely gutted by tonights performance. Absolutley no intensity and Ratts again tried to beat them at their game. FFS clamp down on them and have a bit pressure them and they will cough it up worse than us.

IT IS NOT THAT HARD TO FIGURE OUT!


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 11:14 pm 
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I heard the commentators say McLean had a sore lower back early on......

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 11:15 pm 
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 11:15 pm 
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That was one of the worsed, if not the worsed, game I have ever been to....

I know we lack skill, that's a given. But is it compounded by Rattens gameplan???

Just crap tonight!

I honestly think we would benefit with a coach that has no ties to this club...And a president with no ties to anyone at the club.

Something is horribly wrong.....

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 11:16 pm 
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someone earlier in the post mentioned gibbs hasn't looked interested all year ( early as it is ) the majority of the team looked uninterested tonight. Is there some player backlash from the Fev trade, don't get me wrong I think the right decision was made but I am in brissy and the common thread coming from the lions regarding Fev is he is great with the young players and works hard off the ground and is very popular at the club. We have a pretty young group and maybe there is some ill feeling towards the coaching staff as a result of the fev situation


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 11:22 pm 
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Some things in football are unacceptable. I could hack losing to a team 6 times in a row if that team was genuinely better than mine. The fact that we have failed to beat Essendon* in 6 outings is unacceptable.

Essendon* are a rubbish team. A rubbish team who, fair play to them, have our number.

We're a potentially good team coached by a rubbish coach. His failure to beat Essendon* with the players at his disposal, given the players at Matthew Knights disposal, is galling and will, in time, prove to be a key determinant in him losing his commission as Senior Coach at Carlton. He will see out his current contract, which expires at the end of next season, but after that will be replaced. And rightly so.

I imagine when Ratten is gone it'll be like that scene in 'Wizard of Oz' where Dorothy steps out of the farm house into the munchkin city thingo, and instead of being all sepia toned and black and white, the world is colour.

The passage of play that best summed up the evening, for me, was when Tayte Pears was caught like a dog on the wing by Chris Yarran in the third quarter. Should have been holding the ball. Wasn't. Called play on. Then, immediately after, some other Essendon* slug tried to beat 2 Carlton tacklers, was caught, dropped the ball. Carlton freekick, right? No, of course not. It was a Bombers free kick because right after incorrectly disposing of the football following his failure to beat 2 tacklers, the Essendon* slug was adjudged to be held when not in possession (please bear in mind this is the possession he squandered due to lack of awareness/ability to dispose of the football correctly).

I just spoke to an Essendon* supporter who referred to something as "the Lonergan debacle"... he said it was when they ‘took a goal from him’. What typical Essendon* entitlement from the umpires bullshit.

I questioned whether that was the incident where he had 15 seconds to kick a goal, was sauntering in, and was run down by Dennis Armfield for, arguably, the greatest holding the ball ever? Cos, from where I was sitting, it looked like he had prior opportunity enough to kick 10 goals but was caught like the slug he is.

Or, was it the incident in which Lonergan (I think it was Lonergan, whoever it was looked like a munchkin with downs syndrome) received a freekick, which he would subsequently goal from, for what the umpire deemed a shepherd by Jordan Russell? To me it looked like Russell was attempting to mark or spoil the ball over the goal line. The umpire, however, decided his attempts to retard Lonergan, which looked to the layman like minimal contact, eyes completely on the ball and front position in the marking contest was actually an illegal and sanctionable offense for denying an opponent the opportunity to mark the ball.

This is as devastating as being a supporter gets.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 11:22 pm 
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deja @#$%&! VU

Questions.

Why was Walker on Gumbleton? When the @#$%&! are we going to start using guys to their abilities. Walkers a running machine not a key back!
What was Waites role tonight? One minute he was loose man in defence the next he was CHF. I dont think he actually knew what he was meant to be doing.
What is our style of play? Is it attacking? Defensive? Do we zone? Do we go man on man? I never can really tell so id like some help.
Why did Thornton play on forward pocket types for most the night when Walker was on Gumbleton?
Gibbs? What was his role tonight? To me he didnt really seem to know.
Kicking. Is this a consideration when we recruit guys?

I can think of 8-9 guys in our team tonight that are ordinary kicks. Ordinary is probably being generous.

Looking at the draw the next 6 weeks, this could turn out to be a very long year.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 11:23 pm 
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redskins wrote:
Was McLean injured before the game or during? If it was prior, why did we play him when we have Hads sitting in the stands.

I am wondering the same thing.
Brock clearly wasn't fit and we were effectively 1 man down right from the start.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 11:24 pm 
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ust got back and what a waste of time. An awful game played by two very ordinary sides!

Biggest concerns for me were the lack of effort and support amongst the players.

Also, please explain why we play so wide???? We supposedly have a group of talented young players yet we are teaching to play the most negative football imaginable.

Every week it is the same old moves without success. Henderson and Setanta spend more time on the bench than the mids. How about Thornton up forward? Robinson off HB? Yarran in defence? Betts on the ball? Waite on a wing? Gibbs off HB to shake a tag? ANYTHING?????

Judd will be back this week (thank goodness) but that will just help hide our deficiencies.

Two years ago I posted a topic about KICKING and how bad our list was and how our recruiting hadnt addressed this important skill. We are paying for it now.

I am seriously starting to question what Ratten is doing. If a young talented group of players effectively show little effort against the arch enemy in front of 70 000 people we have a real PROBLEM!!!

As for individuals:

1. Warnock needs to go fund some form at the Bullants and Jacobs needs to be given a go.

2. Houlihan is slow and one dimensional and has the turning circle of a Mac truck.

3. At 27-28 Setanta is not the future and makes too many mistakes week in week out.

4. AJ made his mark last year in the midfield and is a genuine goer. Put him back there.

5. Yarran for all his talent picks and chooses when to chase and tackle. When he does great but a lot of the time he doesnt.

6. Ratten: If ever you want to burn some kids you are going about the right way. Yarran and Robinson are talented players and playing them in a fwd line where they are starved of opportunity will not help them at all. Robinson made his name as a HB/Midfielder who wins the ball and Yarran as a HBF. Play them there for their own good as much as anything.

7. JR was back to his old tricks


PS Liked Walker at CHB. Thought he did well and Lucas although making some mistakes showed enough.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 11:26 pm 
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 11:27 pm 
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That was seriously seriously seriously poor.

Trying very hard to understand what happened tonight. The only positive that I can think of is that we played suburban class footy (probably C Grade) tonight but only lost by 20 points. Shows how seriously seriously seriously shit the bombers are at the moment. But then it shows how much shitter we were tonight. Getting me very confused...

Intensity - 90% of the time, we were always second to the ball. It just appears that our boys were not prepared to run and/or were always out-positioned. Seriously rookie mistakes by AFL footballers.

Clean hands - The bombers appeared to handle the ball better when it was in dispute. They were also able to hold onto marks which we weren't able to.

Decision making/Kicking - How many out of bounds on the full did we have? Why kick down the boundary and not go in-board instead?

Leadership - Carazzo and Simpson late in the last quarter. With a sniff to possibly pinch the match (should not have been in that position in the first place), veterans like Carazzo and Simpson should show more poise under pressure. Carazzo spraying one OOBOTF is unacceptable. Simpson, I did not know whether he was trying to have a shot on goal or pass it to someone near the goal square. Need to show better poise and not just spray shots like those.

Absolutely gutted at the moment. I just hope we make up for this loss by winning two of Geelong, Collingwood and St Kilda in the next few weeks. Anything less will not ease the pain. The boys owe the supporters at least this. Put this behind you and redeem. REDEEM!


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 11:33 pm 
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. Is there some player backlash from the Fev trade, ......... We have a pretty young group and maybe there is some ill feeling towards the coaching staff as a result of the fev situation


No there isn't.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 11:35 pm 
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Insipid and pathetic.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 11:37 pm 
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Mrs Caz wrote:
kev1207 wrote:
. Is there some player backlash from the Fev trade, ......... We have a pretty young group and maybe there is some ill feeling towards the coaching staff as a result of the fev situation


No there isn't.


No surprises there.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 11:38 pm 
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Very upset with the game, umpiring appalling... the MCG crowd was going nuts.

I've walked home and calmed down a bit.

We lost Brock early in the contest through a bruised hip but I think Ratts probably got this one wrong at the selection table. As good as Brock is, he shouldn't play in a game against a team like the Bombers. The pace of the game, our unwillingness to go man on man and lack of stoppages played into the Bombers hands, against Brock and they played through his man.

Switching, what happened to that? The one time they remembered to do it, we were able to move forward. Did everything they trained for over the summer go out the window tonight? All the semblance of strategy disappeared tonight and Ratts was either out coached or the team ignored him completely.

Hats off to Army. The hit he took was right in front of us and that guy has guts. Not many players would put themselves in danger like that. Few more would continue to play without going off.

Mistake playing Walker on Gumby. Mistake not putting Scotland behind the ball when T-bird got injured. Why do Carlton play zone until the ball is past the centreline and then try and play man one man when the horse has already bolted and the opposition are 30m away?? Why did the Blues not clog the corridor to stop the main strategy of the Bombers: play through the middle and push them wide to give the defenders a chance??

Blues looked lethargic from the start. Then Brock copped a hip, Robbo a knock above the knee and T'bird a thigh injury that required strapping and the umpires adjusted their red and black undies all in Q1... from then on, it was all over.

Honourable mention to SImmo, Russell, Jammo, Betts, Yarran.

Thought I'd never say this but Wiggo might just get a look in next week.

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