Why Don’t We Just Copy St.Kilda’s Game Plan?

behindblueeyes · **Posted:** Fri Apr 09, 2010 7:49 pm

Brock Landers wrote:

More to do with the coach not the playing list. I remember Ross Lyon was laughed at in his first season at the helm. He diligently changed the style of football St kilda played. His focus from the outset was on full ground defensive pressure, defensive/midfield & forward zone set ups and how to link the 3 zones together to play a fluent and adaptable style of footy.

In hindsight you can see that he used the first year to teach and evolve the mindset of his playing list.

St Kilda play accountable pressure zones whether they are defending or attacking. their players are positioned to execute this style of footy. Carlton on the other hand play like headless chooks and get pushed out wide far too often and get slammed when they turn the ball over and or are harrassed when they have the ball.

I'm sorry to say this as a passionate Carlton member but Ratten is not up to it. He is a great motivator of men but I have seen better tactical ideas being used in Under16's footy than what he has managed in close to 3 years.

I cringed recently when I heard him talk about teaching the players to play tempo footy WTF!!! thats just a basic fundamental tactic that's been part of footy for the last 15 years.

TruBlueBrad · **Posted:** Fri Apr 09, 2010 8:26 pm

Brock Landers wrote:

I'm sorry to say this as a passionate Carlton member

Sydney Blue · **Posted:** Fri Apr 09, 2010 8:47 pm

Too done a hammy

We will see how the game plan stands up now

Juzzy · **Joined:** Wed May 20, 2009 9:23 pm **Posts:** 715

Sydney Blue wrote:

Too done a hammy

We will see how the game plan stands up now

I'm interested in this too.

Will they just have low scoring games? Because really their Game style has been reliant Nicky kicking a score..

But we'll see.. They played arguably their best game last year against Hawthorne without him

ScottSaunders · **Posted:** Fri Apr 09, 2010 9:51 pm

ScottSaunders wrote:

st.kilda game plan consists of one thing.

revolt

if he ever gets injured, they are gone.

nope, we are heading in the right direction.

this bloke is a flower genius.

lol, its never good to see a champion (and depsite him playing for st.kilda he is one) go down, but it will be fascinating to see how they go without him. looks to be abit more than a 3-4 weeks as well, and you just wonder, if and when he comes back, with the way he runs in a game, if he will be able to play like that this again this season as all.

ive said all along, its good to have champions in your side, but not when they are the sole focus. i.e. us and fevola last year, and saints and revolt every year.

dont thin kosi has the fitness, skill or brain capacity to replace revolt. its a big loss for the saints.

camel · **Posted:** Fri Apr 09, 2010 9:51 pm

Hang on a minute, we've started the year without our captain and best player, does this mean St Kilda is now copying our game plan?

club29 · **Posted:** Fri Apr 09, 2010 11:29 pm

Plenty of chip chip , boundary hugging and holding the ball up used by the saints tonight.

DIAMOTISM · **Posted:** Sat Apr 10, 2010 6:52 am

club29 wrote:

Plenty of chip chip , boundary hugging and holding the ball up used by the saints tonight.

Very similar to the ugly football the Swans play. Wasn't Lyon an assistant at the Swans. Maybe he has taken the same game plan to St.Kilda. :idea:

We couldn't play like this type of football as we have players who can't kick and keep possession. Imagine Grigg and Joe Anderson trying to chip the ball around or Irish and Hammer or Carazzo and Armfield. :cry:

TruBlueBrad · **Posted:** Sat Apr 10, 2010 7:04 am

DIAMOTISM wrote:

club29 wrote:

Plenty of chip chip , boundary hugging and holding the ball up used by the saints tonight.

Very similar to the ugly football the Swans play. Wasn't Lyon an assistant at the Swans. Maybe he has taken the same game plan to St.Kilda. :idea:

I think its safe to say he took the Sydney game plan to St Kilda. Was very evident the first season he was there and has evolved since then.

The same people who rubbished Geelong's game plan in the early to mid 90's and Hawthorn's in 2006/07 were also giving it to Ross Lyon then.

I wonder what they thought of Ratts coaching last season and if they'll move on quicker than some TC'ers :wink:

Game styles take time to evolve and for players to adjust. Some people just can't see it.

SurreyBlue · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:32 am **Posts:** 10594

club29 wrote:

Plenty of chip chip , boundary hugging and holding the ball up used by the saints tonight.

How Collingwood lost this is beyond me ... hang on it's Collingwood where talking about, isn't it. :lol:

A good team with a decent forward line and run through the middle, ala Cats/Dogs/Dawks will beat Aints.

ps. Dawson .... :yikes:

Rexy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 15, 2008 6:46 am **Posts:** 28227

club29 wrote:

Plenty of chip chip , boundary hugging and holding the ball up used by the saints tonight.

Are you suggesting that style is the basis of a premiership winning game style?

How much did Collingwood's ineptness have to do with the saints victory last night?

Pure speculation to accept and proclaim this style as the yellow brick road to Oz, IMO.

jimmae · **Posted:** Sat Apr 10, 2010 11:32 am

I'm interested to see if they bring in a bloke like Tommy Walsh to stick at FF. I reckon he might go ok at FF/CHF. Other than that it's what? Rhys Stanley?

club29 · **Posted:** Sat Apr 10, 2010 2:27 pm

Rexy wrote:

club29 wrote:

Plenty of chip chip , boundary hugging and holding the ball up used by the saints tonight.

Are you suggesting that style is the basis of a premiership winning game style?

How much did Collingwood's ineptness have to do with the saints victory last night?

Pure speculation to accept and proclaim this style as the yellow brick road to Oz, IMO.

Just saying that they use them tactics and have done for a long time. Watch both teams in last years grand final and they did the same. They havent lost a lot of games in the last year and half. I am not sure why people here get on carltons case for using similar tactics. Not saying we are good at them but practice makes perfect and we have time on our side to get it right.

Agreed last night the magpies missed a couple of sitters that may have put the Saints under pressure but the saints were men down -key men at that- and they still won without really getting out of second gear.

What does holding the ball in the air mean? I think we all know what it meant back in 2008 but these days it seems to mean something completely different.

ryan2000 · **Posted:** Sat Apr 10, 2010 2:35 pm

I have noticed some similarities between us and StKilda.

Mainly that "Basketball" style of play to combat a flood. I hate it - but, you can''t argue with it. It's been working so far.

Geez i'm glad Stkilda played through the corridor in the last quarter though - cause that's what there best at! The first three qtrs was BORING Football! :mad:

Rexy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 15, 2008 6:46 am **Posts:** 28227

club29 wrote:

Rexy wrote:

club29 wrote:

Plenty of chip chip , boundary hugging and holding the ball up used by the saints tonight.

Are you suggesting that style is the basis of a premiership winning game style?

How much did Collingwood's ineptness have to do with the saints victory last night?

Pure speculation to accept and proclaim this style as the yellow brick road to Oz, IMO.

Just saying that they use them tactics and have done for a long time. Watch both teams in last years grand final and they did the same. They havent lost a lot of games in the last year and half. I am not sure why people here get on carltons case for using similar tactics. Not saying we are good at them but practice makes perfect and we have time on our side to get it right.

Agreed last night the magpies missed a couple of sitters that may have put the Saints under pressure but the saints were men down -key men at that- and they still won without really getting out of second gear.

What does holding the ball in the air mean? I think we all know what it meant back in 2008 but these days it seems to mean something completely different.

What does it matter what it means now? The important thing is how effectively we use the footy in pressuring our opponents into errors thus creating more scoring opportunities for us rather than them.

Premiership winning teams are more penetrating and direct most of the time which as I said above pressures their oppositions into errors.

99prelim · **Joined:** Tue Oct 17, 2006 11:01 pm **Posts:** 3561

TruBlueBrad wrote:

DIAMOTISM wrote:

club29 wrote:

Plenty of chip chip , boundary hugging and holding the ball up used by the saints tonight.

Very similar to the ugly football the Swans play. Wasn't Lyon an assistant at the Swans. Maybe he has taken the same game plan to St.Kilda. :idea:

I think its safe to say he took the Sydney game plan to St Kilda. Was very evident the first season he was there and has evolved since then.

The same people who rubbished Geelong's game plan in the early to mid 90's and Hawthorn's in 2006/07 were also giving it to Ross Lyon then.

I wonder what they thought of Ratts coaching last season and if they'll move on quicker than some TC'ers :wink:

Game styles take time to evolve and for players to adjust. Some people just can't see it.

Only took Malthouse 4 seasons to take the pies to successsive grand finals after also coming from a long way back.

club29 · **Posted:** Sat Apr 10, 2010 5:04 pm

Rexy wrote:

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What does it matter what it means now? The important thing is how effectively we use the footy in pressuring our opponents into errors thus creating more scoring opportunities for us rather than them.

Premiership winning teams are more penetrating and direct most of the time which as I said above pressures their oppositions into errors.

I agree but plenty of chip chip, boundary hugging and holding the ball up is also apart of the top teams gamestyles is all i am saying.

club29 · **Posted:** Sat Apr 10, 2010 5:06 pm

99prelim wrote:

Only took Malthouse 4 seasons to take the pies to successsive grand finals after also coming from a long way back.

Yep he has really lost his mojo since then.

Elwood Blues1 · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 9:10 am **Posts:** 4827

Cazzesman wrote:

It is all to do with overall group fitness and the groups physical size/strength. We are working on both but it takes time. The Saints have more mature players than we do plus a guy like the Roo who has 10 years and a heart like Phar lap. Backing up week after week takes years of physical conditioning.

We may be more advanced than the Tigers but you wouldn't expect the Tigers to play like the Saints.

Regards Cazzesman

Fair point vs Stkilda...but a long bow to draw vs Essendon*.....same game plan from the bombers, same players minus some of their best, same no names like Watson. Lovett Murray, Riemers......no Reiwoldts in that lineup.....babies like Melksham, Colyer......we should be intimidating them instead of chasing tail.....and the same excuses from our footy dept..

TheGame · **Posted:** Sun Apr 11, 2010 10:01 am

One thing that strikes me with StKilda is how good just about every player on the park (with the exception of Milne) is at marking the ball and making a contest.

We're the total opposite, we're good when the ball hits the deck but I'd only back a handful of our guys in marking contests.

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