If a cross section (albeit small sample) of Carlton supporters are expressing concern with a #1 draft pick, and you label him a 'freak', then the comment I made about how he is overrated is even more justified.

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..a very good player, but i just wish he played with a bit more hustle..

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Spot on jim.

I just finished watching the game again and it seemed to me when he's on the ground he starts most centre bounces either in the middle or off the wing and then either follows the ball or he settles between the centreline and half-back.

The role he's playing ahs absolutely zero to do with his contract status and it makes sense to have someone with his poise and ball use floating around the defensive side when he's not following the ball.

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Not sure if you're serious or not with this post. If you are, you're miles off understanding the game Gibbs is playing.

Who was he tagging against the Lions?

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If he is playing so well then why isn't he in the top 3 every week, this year and that inc pre-season?

Has been handy, but by no means is racking up the Brownlow votes many of us expected he would

Murphy in contrast missed a lot of the pre-season but hit his straps last week and was our Best.

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I thought Gibbs' game on Thursday against the Lions was another good game from him.

Doesn't have to be a top 3 to earn his stripes.

You have to remember that the coach gives Gibbs his position and instructions for the game not the other way around.

Nice goal from 55m too.

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..seems to definately be playing under coaches instruction.. ..personally i'd rather he played forward of center but can see the neccessity of him playing behind the ball..

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There's nothing necessary about it. He is a very good long kick of the ball and it's the perfect place to deliver from. The closer you get to the F50, the more they can see where your eyes are looking, what you're facing towards, the more difficult the angle is to kick over any loose players, etc.

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Firstly, I was merely responding to general discussion related to the fact that Ratts often gives him a run with role. Secondly, if he wasn't tagging anyone last Thursday, his impact was even less effective. Take the blinkers off and accept that we are not getting value for money from him. If it's b/c of Ratts instructions, then he needs to take the blame as well. This blind faith that some people show toward him is embarrassing. He may well become the superstar that we hope he will be, but right now he is far off it.

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Exactly how many touches do you want him to have? 50?

Define what value for money would be...

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29 different attributes,
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20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

If 28 disposals and a set shot goal from 50 isn't value for money, I gather you trade with Zimbabwean currency?

And Lachie Henderson got 8 disposals and beat Maguire
And Jamo got 5 disposals and probably just shaded Fev
And Kruse got 15 disposals and was a ripper

You obviously overrate stats as much as you overrate Gibbs.

PS. Wish you well with your health issues

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Regardless of stats, Kreuzer was incredible.

If Jamo keeps Fev to 3 goals a game then great.

Three goals a week to Henderson will be most welcome.

And thanks.

For an ineffective tagger he sure gained a lot of ground for us with his kicking. 8 clearances and 8 inside 50's too. Far from his best game but to say we're not getting value for money from him is ridiculous.

didn't get value for money in the first half, that's for sure. came out looking like he actually wanted it after half-time, had a couple of great clearances, got into the game, was good.

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Steadily earned possessions and clearances in the first half. Just like Murphy & Simpson, became even more influential when his team mates spread from the contests better and opened up the game a little.

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..this is why i think his role there is more a neccessity.. ..the exact reason of him being an accurate kick, with poise and good decision making/great vision means he's better for our team gettin' time and space behind the center square.. ..especially with teams zoning.. ..every team needs a couple of players to be capable of this skill/tactic.. ..our best in this role would be Gibbs, so he's required there.. ..i'd rather he was released a little more forward, where his good kicking and smart decisions could spot up our leading forwards, or he can push forward to be a goal scoring threat [like he has so far]..

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I'm talking about where best to position him to hit leads. He's pushing forward when there's an option, but you'll notice he'll spot F50 targets a bit easier from a bit deeper in midfield, for the reasons I've mentioned.

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..i agree whole heartedly, i just wish we had another player able to do the same thing so he, or Gibbs, could push forward more often.. ..i reckon Gibbs off a HFF would be dangerous.. ..but we can't afford to lose his setting up from further back..

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Gibbs on the flank would be a simple leading target. I'd rather Houlihan or Walker in such a role, as they have the tricks or athleticism to do a bit more damage on the deck. Bryce is exactly where his game is best suited, not just in our team but generally. He'd be a tiny bit more attacking without Murphy in the side.

Best way to think of it is in world game terms. Murphy is the advanced playmaker, Gibbs is in the deeper playmaking role. Together, they dominate the middle of the park when in possession.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.