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 Post subject: Re: Parko has lost it
PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 3:34 pm 
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My opinion is that i have spent two minutes of my life reading this thread and at the end of it, my opinion is WHO CARES
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Gumby cares.



Gumby is the messiah


no...
he's just a very naughty boy...
and he is getting the chop from my team. :sad:
I blame Parko. :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Parko has lost it
PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 4:01 pm 
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In exactly two weeks we will see them both on the ground at the same time...


Bet ya Gumby gets injured before then.


Snap.

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 Post subject: Re: Parko has lost it
PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 4:06 pm 
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Nope, Parkin left at the end of 2000. Brittain was definitely responsible for the Massie/Edwards debacle.


Debacle?
Kris Massie was a good kid but he was only a fair player who went on to achieve little at Adelaide.
Hardly a debacle.


Fair enough, i couldn't think of a different word, you're right individually it wasn't a debacle, though we didn't appear to do our homework on Eccles' injury concerns. What was a debacle, however, was our combined trading efforts that off-season. To trade away Porter, PLUS draft picks in the best draft ever for McKernan, and also trading players and draft picks to get Lindsay Smith, David Gallagher, Andrew Eccles and Justin Murphy back was a complete misjudgement of where our list was at (and poor trading no matter what state your list is in).


There's some top shelf quality in those names, isn't there? :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Parko has lost it
PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 4:16 pm 
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Every time I watch Paul Chapman and Barry Hall play I think of Elliot and Parkin's no rebuilding philosophy.


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We wouldn't have drafted them if we'd had kept the picks anyway so do yourself a favour and stop thinking that way


:lol:

Yeah, that will really help him.

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 Post subject: Re: Parko has lost it
PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 5:45 pm 
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The 2000 draft choices and the sanctions really had a massive overall effect. Can't blame Parko for those.
Yes we traded for a couple of duds but so have most coaches throughout history.

The criticism of Parko in this thread re the state of the list back when is really unfair.


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 Post subject: Re: Parko has lost it
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 Post subject: Re: Parko has lost it
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 Post subject: Re: Parko has lost it
PostPosted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 8:06 pm 
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I think they will both develop into fine players but let's not forget two points:

Gumbleton was pick 2 in his draft year so the expectation is he will be a gun while Henderson went at pick 8

Gumbleton is a year older and therefore (injuries notwithstanding) should be physically more advanced than Henderson.

That said I can't understand why some posters automatically bag anyone who dares to say an opposition player is or will be better than one of ours, surely everyone is entitiled to an opinion?

I think David Parkin is a Carlton great and if he wants to put his two cents in why shouldn't he?????


Unless we could have recruited that other player - double standards, this forum.

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 Post subject: Re: Parko has lost it
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TruBlueBrad wrote:
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Every time I watch Paul Chapman and Barry Hall play I think of Elliot and Parkin's no rebuilding philosophy.


:roll:

We wouldn't have drafted them if we'd had kept the picks anyway so do yourself a favour and stop thinking that way



Impeccable logic shown there - not!

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 Post subject: Re: Parko has lost it
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Pafloyul wrote:
TruBlueBrad wrote:
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Every time I watch Paul Chapman and Barry Hall play I think of Elliot and Parkin's no rebuilding philosophy.


:roll:

We wouldn't have drafted them if we'd had kept the picks anyway so do yourself a favour and stop thinking that way



Impeccable logic shown there - not!

:roll: :roll:


How does it help? Unless you can say we'd have drafted Chapman and Hall with those picks its irrelevant.

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 Post subject: Re: Parko has lost it
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TruBlueBrad wrote:
How does it help? Unless you can say we'd have drafted Chapman and Hall with those picks its irrelevant.


Help what? :?

People are entitled to rue past recruiting decisions even if the exact details are unknowable. Who we would have chosen is a moot point especially considering we would have been responsible for that too.

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 Post subject: Re: Parko has lost it
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How does it help? Unless you can say we'd have drafted Chapman and Hall with those picks its irrelevant.


Help what? :?

People are entitled to rue past recruiting decisions even if the exact details are unknowable. Who we would have chosen is a moot point especially considering we would have been responsible for that too.


Help anything.

Whats the point in looking back at past recruiting and saying we could have had Chapman and Hall. In most liklihood we wouldn't and probably got more out of Mansfield than whoever we would have drafted if we'd kept the pick.

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 Post subject: Re: Parko has lost it
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 Post subject: Re: Parko has lost it
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If we'd picked up Hall and Chappy we wouldn't have fallen as far as we did but we probably wouldn't have won a flag either and as a result of not falling so far we wouldn't have Murph, Gibbs, Kreuzer, Lucas, Yarran, etc etc etc...

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 Post subject: Re: Parko has lost it
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 Post subject: Re: Parko has lost it
PostPosted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 2:25 am 
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Every time I watch Paul Chapman and Barry Hall play I think of Elliot and Parkin's no rebuilding philosophy.

TruBlueBrad wrote:
How does it help? Unless you can say we'd have drafted Chapman and Hall with those picks its irrelevant.


You're right TBB. Saying that we would have picked up Chappie and Hall in the draft is one of the more ridiculous footy forum arguments. Of course, if those saying this can come up with a 100% correct phantom draft for 2010, I'll withdraw that statement.

But the most ridiculous argument by far is that we should have went into rebuilding mode at the end of 1999. We'd just played off in a GF FFS. We had a top class core group (with more than a few of them heading into the twilight stage of their careers) but we were still short a few players, especially down back. In those circumstances, you go for the doctor, you top up - any other football club in the world would have done the same thing. No good recruiting some young snots, waiting 3-4 years for them to develop while the careers of Ratts, Braddles, SOS, McKay, Brown, etc wind down. Name a premiership side over the last 10 or so years that didn't top up to improve its list.

Now some people probably don't realize this but when we top up it doesn't mean we can pick any player we want - we have to grab those who suit our needs from a fairly limited pool. O'Reilly and Mansfield were still serviceable footballers when we picked them up. Didn't work out the way we hoped altho we did have a very good 2000/01.

At the end of 2001 we still had a very well-performed side despite the lack of a tall marking target up forward and we had good reasons to expect similar form in 2002. So we addressed our shortcomings by recruiting McKernan for another tilt at the flag. That we finished last had nothing to do with the McK trade. He had a very good year after a horror start. The people bitching in hindsight about getting McK are probably the same people bitching about Carlton not picking up a key forward at the end of last season.

As for the "never re-building" approach, I would not expect anything less from my club (altho I would probably not agree with Elliot's methods). If I was president of the club and the coach presented a 5-year plan that included "Year Three: Bottom out" I'd sack him on the spot. The club should be planning - through astute trading, drafting and player development - to stay in the hunt for the premiership. Finishing last or near last are rarely planned for - they just happen for a multiple of reasons. Ask Adelaide.


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 Post subject: Re: Parko has lost it
PostPosted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 2:39 am 
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At the end of the day Gumbleton showed alot despite their thrashing by the pies.

And although Hendo played a shocker against the Cats he has a lot of promise and I am a massive fan. Who gives a shit what Parko thinks, they both will be good players.

All that matters in footy these days is having a structure in place and I know that Hendo will allow us this and as long as he presents and pressures, the Blues will be looking good for 10+ years.


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 Post subject: Re: Parko has lost it
PostPosted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 9:01 am 
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At the end of the day Gumbleton showed alot despite their thrashing by the pies.

And although Hendo played a shocker against the Cats he has a lot of promise and I am a massive fan. Who gives a shit what Parko thinks, they both will be good players.

All that matters in footy these days is having a structure in place and I know that Hendo will allow us this and as long as he presents and pressures, the Blues will be looking good for 10+ years.
Disrespectful to Parko and and would be disrespectful to any poster's views. Mods please remove this post.

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 Post subject: Re: Parko has lost it
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Hey I'm with johnny dees, If he does not care for Parko's opinion so be it, To me johnny's opinion is as good as anybody else's and can say what he likes and when he likes on any forum. Shit Robert Walls opinion differs with other media people often. He and Sheeds never saw eye to eye, so is Sheeds right because he coached more Premierships or is Wallsy right because he coached the Blues to a flag? Hendo's O'kay.


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 Post subject: Re: Parko has lost it
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isdonis.george wrote:
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At the end of the day Gumbleton showed alot despite their thrashing by the pies.

And although Hendo played a shocker against the Cats he has a lot of promise and I am a massive fan. Who gives a shit what Parko thinks, they both will be good players.

All that matters in footy these days is having a structure in place and I know that Hendo will allow us this and as long as he presents and pressures, the Blues will be looking good for 10+ years.
Disrespectful to Parko and and would be disrespectful to any poster's views. Mods please remove this post.


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