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PostPosted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 6:25 pm 
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Waite wasted playing btw the arcs on Brennan.

Betts n Yarran did nothing.

Anderson and Thornton 2 errors/turnovers each in 1st half killed us. That is 2 weeks straight now Anderson has coughed up the ball and it's resulted in a goal

Warnock poor game IMO

The good thing is we won the midfield without CJ.

But as promising as Setanta and Hendo are, I really think Waite needs to play fwd. Poor decision by Ratten to not use Waite as a weapon.

And we still don't have a gorilla to match up on the Brown's of the comp




Some interesting points but you have to start doubting your ability as a team when you win the midfield as you say and then in 10 minutes of football we still manage to lose the game pretty comfortably...I reckon it had nothing to do with Brown in the last....it was the battle lost in the middle AGAIN (see last quarter last year against this same team on a number of occasions)...it was this that gave Brown so many opportunities

I agree with Keogh to a degree...we don't take enough risks....Ratts and co that is, especially when the tide turns against us....we just don't seem to have any method of halting or arresting back momentum when the game is there to be won...this is the biggest Con for me to come out of this week....I was looking forward to this game mostly to see how we would handle a predictable opponent...and unfortuanately we handled them with the same predictability... :confused:


Good to see you didn't miss Ratts this time :thumbsup:

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I think they have the potential to be. The Gabba itself plays a big part in the their performance.


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I think they have the potential to be. The Gabba itself plays a big part in the their performance.


Interesting. You're not becoming a Queenslander are you?


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 Post subject: Re: R2: Pros and Cons
PostPosted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 6:30 pm 
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At the end of the day Brown and Fevola kicked 10 goals between them and O'hAilpin and Henderson kicked seven between them and Brisbane won by three goals. Upon reflection, it was a really close game and if Brisbane are serious contenders in 2010, then we aren't that far behind them.


Betts n Yazz should have kicked 3

Mind u I don't think Hendo is good for 3 gla/game on avg, he got some easy ones against Lions

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 Post subject: Re: R2: Pros and Cons
PostPosted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 6:39 pm 
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TruBlueBrad wrote:
Juddy&theKruezers wrote:
Virgin Blue wrote:
Waite wasted playing btw the arcs on Brennan.

Betts n Yarran did nothing.

Anderson and Thornton 2 errors/turnovers each in 1st half killed us. That is 2 weeks straight now Anderson has coughed up the ball and it's resulted in a goal

Warnock poor game IMO

The good thing is we won the midfield without CJ.

But as promising as Setanta and Hendo are, I really think Waite needs to play fwd. Poor decision by Ratten to not use Waite as a weapon.

And we still don't have a gorilla to match up on the Brown's of the comp




Some interesting points but you have to start doubting your ability as a team when you win the midfield as you say and then in 10 minutes of football we still manage to lose the game pretty comfortably...I reckon it had nothing to do with Brown in the last....it was the battle lost in the middle AGAIN (see last quarter last year against this same team on a number of occasions)...it was this that gave Brown so many opportunities

I agree with Keogh to a degree...we don't take enough risks....Ratts and co that is, especially when the tide turns against us....we just don't seem to have any method of halting or arresting back momentum when the game is there to be won...this is the biggest Con for me to come out of this week....I was looking forward to this game mostly to see how we would handle a predictable opponent...and unfortuanately we handled them with the same predictability... :confused:


Good to see you didn't miss Ratts this time :thumbsup:


I love the fact that apparently we won the midfield, but didn't win the midfield.

And there are very few backs who can consistently hold Brown. He was Carey-like last night. Won the match for them when it needed to be won. You can only stand and watch in awe when a giant of a player does that.

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 Post subject: Re: R2: Pros and Cons
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Kaptain Kouta wrote:
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Some interesting points but you have to start doubting your ability as a team when you win the midfield as you say and then in 10 minutes of football we still manage to lose the game pretty comfortably...I reckon it had nothing to do with Brown in the last....it was the battle lost in the middle AGAIN (see last quarter last year against this same team on a number of occasions)...it was this that gave Brown so many opportunities

I agree with Keogh to a degree...we don't take enough risks....Ratts and co that is, especially when the tide turns against us....we just don't seem to have any method of halting or arresting back momentum when the game is there to be won...this is the biggest Con for me to come out of this week....I was looking forward to this game mostly to see how we would handle a predictable opponent...and unfortuanately we handled them with the same predictability... :confused:


Good to see you didn't miss Ratts this time :thumbsup:


I love the fact that apparently we won the midfield, but didn't win the midfield.

And there are very few backs who can consistently hold Brown. He was Carey-like last night. Won the match for them when it needed to be won. You can only stand and watch in awe when a giant of a player does that.


Had we broke even in the middle in the last we could have stemmed the flow going down Browns throat...and yes we could all stand in awe at the man Brown or we could ponder on where we went wrong and fix those things....I remember Fev dominating games for us ala Brown did and maybe to a greater extent...and yet I also remember losing those same games Fev dominated...did the opposition stand in awe at Fev's performance? or did they work out a way to still come up with a win despite there being a dominant forward on the ground...

All I'm saying is that it is damn disheartening when what you know is going to happen ends up happenning...

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 Post subject: Re: R2: Pros and Cons
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Juddy&theKruezers wrote:
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I love the fact that apparently we won the midfield, but didn't win the midfield.

And there are very few backs who can consistently hold Brown. He was Carey-like last night. Won the match for them when it needed to be won. You can only stand and watch in awe when a giant of a player does that.


Had we broke even in the middle in the last we could have stemmed the flow going down Browns throat...and yes we could all stand in awe at the man Brown or we could ponder on where we went wrong and fix those things....I remember Fev dominating games for us ala Brown did and maybe to a greater extent...and yet I also remember losing those same games Fev dominated...did the opposition stand in awe at Fev's performance? or did they work out a way to still come up with a win despite there being a dominant forward on the ground...

All I'm saying is that it is damn disheartening when what you know is going to happen ends up happenning...


Fev is totally different to Brown. I didn't say our team stood in Awe of Brown, but viewers of both sides would have, in the same way they did when Carey took matters into his own hands and wrenched the game away from opponents.

Fev won't ever really do that, he needs more support upfield.

Like I said, different beasts.

But that's OK, just keep deliberately misrepresenting my words to suit your petty agenda.

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 Post subject: Re: R2: Pros and Cons
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Kaptain Kouta wrote:
Juddy&theKruezers wrote:
Kaptain Kouta wrote:

I love the fact that apparently we won the midfield, but didn't win the midfield.

And there are very few backs who can consistently hold Brown. He was Carey-like last night. Won the match for them when it needed to be won. You can only stand and watch in awe when a giant of a player does that.


Had we broke even in the middle in the last we could have stemmed the flow going down Browns throat...and yes we could all stand in awe at the man Brown or we could ponder on where we went wrong and fix those things....I remember Fev dominating games for us ala Brown did and maybe to a greater extent...and yet I also remember losing those same games Fev dominated...did the opposition stand in awe at Fev's performance? or did they work out a way to still come up with a win despite there being a dominant forward on the ground...

All I'm saying is that it is damn disheartening when what you know is going to happen ends up happenning...


Fev is totally different to Brown. I didn't say our team stood in Awe of Brown, but viewers of both sides would have, in the same way they did when Carey took matters into his own hands and wrenched the game away from opponents.

Fev won't ever really do that, he needs more support upfield.

Like I said, different beasts.

But that's OK, just keep deliberately misrepresenting my words to suit your petty agenda.


I was not misprepresenting anything you said...just giving my spin that's all...apologises if you feel I did that KK...tell me something during the 3rd quarter why did we dominate so much as opposed to the last?

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 Post subject: Re: R2: Pros and Cons
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FIIK. You know, sometimes it just happens in a match. Sometimes things just click. And as quickly as it happens, sometimes it all falls apart too.

And I'm not offended, so no need for the apology, although it is appreciated anyway, it just get a bit boring to see that you've posted and know before I even read the thread what you'll be saying.

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 Post subject: Re: R2: Pros and Cons
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Pro: Seeing Hendo's celebration after kicking his first :grin:

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 Post subject: Re: R2: Pros and Cons
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Haven't watched Brown or Carey closely but pinging them from the boundary on the 50m arc more than once in a game is seriously freakish.
Anyone know how many times he did that?
Will be interesting to see if he can do it again.

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 Post subject: Re: R2: Pros and Cons
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Kaptain Kouta wrote:
FIIK. You know, sometimes it just happens in a match. Sometimes things just click. And as quickly as it happens, sometimes it all falls apart too.

And I'm not offended, so no need for the apology, although it is appreciated anyway, it just get a bit boring to see that you've posted and know before I even read the thread what you'll be saying.


I know what you mean...I was having similar thoughts at 3 qtr time yesterday...annoying.... :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: R2: Pros and Cons
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Pro: Seeing Hendo's celebration after kicking his first :grin:
Almost as good as Carlos's!

Interesting point from verbs about the Gabba above. I thought one of the things that brought about many of our fumbles was what appeared to be a slippery ball - our guys had a fair few slip through the fingers or bounce in an out, whereas the Brisbane players seemed a tad cleaner. A lot of our in-close work and movement through the midfield comes from slick hands and fast ball movement, and we were coming unstuck with this in the conditions.

So maybe slippery Gabba is slightly different to elsewhere?


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 Post subject: Re: R2: Pros and Cons
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Juddy&theKruezers wrote:
Kaptain Kouta wrote:
FIIK. You know, sometimes it just happens in a match. Sometimes things just click. And as quickly as it happens, sometimes it all falls apart too.

And I'm not offended, so no need for the apology, although it is appreciated anyway, it just get a bit boring to see that you've posted and know before I even read the thread what you'll be saying.


I know what you mean...I was having similar thoughts at 3 qtr time yesterday...annoying.... :lol:

:lol: :lol: :donk:

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 Post subject: Re: R2: Pros and Cons
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Pros:

Great to see the investment in quality ruckmen and midfielders starting to pay off. Really dominated. (The Warnock and McLean trades look to have been very astute decisions.)
Kick outs. We seemed to clear the ball much better than usual.
Very pleased with Setanta and Henderson.
Very clever move of Simpson to the goalsquare by the MC. Looking ahead, with his ability overhead could be pretty dangerous in this role.
Exhilirating third quarter.

Cons:

There were some contested marks close to goal that should have been taken by our big guys. (Look forward to when guys like Warnock and Henderson have another 20-30 games under their belt.)
Would have liked to see a more offensive role for Gibbs (in the first half), with Judd out of the team.
Given his lack of impact up forward, and Brennan's game against him, would have liked to have seen Waite shifted back to play loose man much earlier in the game.
Last year we relied too heavily on goals from F50 marks, and not enough crumbing goals. This year we've gotten a lot better at crumbing goals, but probably not getting enough goals from set shots.


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 Post subject: Re: R2: Pros and Cons
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I love Setanta, just wish he wouldn't always try and run on after taking a mark ... put it down to becoming comfortable in his new role.

Eddie and Yarran's bad day, was just that .... but it's always seen differently when we lose.

we didn't lose by much ... we had it if we'd kicked straight ..... only R 2 remember ... it was only a few weeks ago that we supposedly had no forward line and where would the goals come from ..... here we are, talking not about who will kick our goals but about kicking straight ... funny game this.

absolutely loved the start of Q3, no cons from me ... all pros ....we have come a long way in the last few years ... and it can only improve .... hope we pull the Don's shorts down and give them a good spanking on Saturday. GO Blues !

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I was at the game.

We will win more games than we lose if we play like that. Betts & Yarran, two highly skilled players, had off nights in front of goals and the team's overall kicking efficiency was down. Plus there was the Brown factor.... :clap:

But our clearance work was fantastic and our tackling is improving. Brisbane at the Gabba will be one of the tougher assignments for visiting teams in 2010 - and if not for some JB herioics, I think we would have beaten them (even despite our wasteful disposal).

I actually think our forward line is functioning OK, we are getting enough shots on goal - we just need to convert them :banghead: (and it's unlikely that both Betts & Yarran will both be that inaccurate in the same game again). Carlos & Hendo are trying their guts out, and both are doing well so far, IMO.

I cannot believe that some posters are suggesting that White in for Armfield would have made a difference. BOWER for Armfield, yes possibly, but White no. White has been impressive in some Bullants practice matches (and might not be too far away from the MC's thoughts), but to suggest he would have made a difference on Thursday is very strange IMO. And anyway, I thought Armfield did OK and gave us some extra run.

Joey fought back in the 2nd half and I'd persist with him if Bower is still out.

One of the main things I wanted out of 2010 was to develop a settled backline - but we can't take a trick back there! I really hope Bower can get back on the park ASAP because I think he, Jamo, T-Bird & JR have the potential to be an exciting defensive unit. It's also a terrible shame that Austin isn't up and running at the moment because he could be getting good ground time (at either end).

And 2 blokes I had concerns about (for different reasons) before Rd 1 - Brock & Murph - are travelling just fine at the moment :thumbsup: .

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Eddie and Yarran's bad day, was just that .... but it's always seen differently when we lose.



just on that, why didn't Betts get a run on the ball at any stage? Could have lifted his confidence.

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yibbida wrote:
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Eddie and Yarran's bad day, was just that .... but it's always seen differently when we lose.



just on that, why didn't Betts get a run on the ball at any stage? Could have lifted his confidence.


Not sure if this goes part of the way to explaining why Eddie didn't have his best game (and/or why he didn't get a run in the midfield), but I saw him cop a fairly heavy knock in the 1st quarter (can't recall if it was from Goose or Merrett) and he seemed to labour a fraction after that. Not making excuses for him, and it may have had no bearing at all, but that's just something I noticed at the ground. IMO - he didn't play that badly anyway, he just failed to convert a few shots at goal he'd normally nail. Hopefully Essendon* will pay the price on Saturday night.... :cool:

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