Pro's

-Our ability to dominate the clearances against a very good midfield unit.
-Hendersons workrate. Some people forget this kid is only 3 months older than Levi Casboult. He's a pup in KP terms yet he continues show leadership and maturity in our forwardline.
-McLean was very influential again.
-Jamo. Thought has was very good on the whole.
-The composure of Gibbs and Houla when they have the ball.
-Kruezer. I love watching this kid play.
-Setantas passion.
-Murphys workrate
-Simmos ability to go forward and contribute.
-Our ability to dominate against a side topped up by mature players.
-JR. Really like the way he is developing.
-The coaching boxes efforts during the game. I thought our moves and rotations were far better than Brisbanes.

Cons
-Our inability to capitalise on our dominance. 3.11 to 8.3 wont win you many games.
-A reluctance from some of our forwards to take responsibility to "kick the goal". It was great to see Bryce Gibbs go back from 55 and have the shot.
-Setantas goalkicking routine. It's not like this bloke came to us with a flawed technique. He had'nt kicked a footy before he arrived! He gets too close to the man on the mark, steers the kick instead of kicking through it and needs to relax.
- They got 2 goals from a rookie small forward and we got 6 points from our small forwards.
-I would have replaced Bower with a tall option. It's a bit pointless picking a mature KP rookie (White) if you're not going to try him when required.
-Voss' smug dial after the game. You were'nt that good Vossy and I'll enjoy it when we return the favour.
-Scotto has been more wasteful than usual when he has time and space. He played well but his ball use has definitely dropped off.

Overall, a good effort with one fantastic player dragging them over the line.

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I reckon JAK makes some valuable points
With the one eye you have left maybe you should look at the game a bit more objectively
PROS
Jamo
Kreuzer
Russell
Scotland
Mclean
Murphy
Simpson
Houlihan(first half)
Carlos(different)

CONS
two players
Gibbs simply doesnt run hard enough at times.Lazy
Too many players have negative roles Carrazzo, Robinson,Joseph. Consequently we play too much negative footy.
Brown would have pansted anyone last night but Ratten should have made a move . Thornton up forward. Waite or Carlos onto him. To keep Thornton on Brown was stupid.

We have nobody who can take a pack overhead mark in attack. It bit us on the bum last night.
Henderson and Carlos were good but we need a power forward.

Also the tool said the difference between the Lions pre season and Carltons was the Lions simply did more running.
They completely overran us in the end this with a 2 day less recovery. Not good enough.

We lost the game because of poor disposal and decision making at crucial times. Waite kick to Carrazzo. IT has to be pinpoint if you go into the corridor. Our skills by foot are not good enough.

Finally Warnock is an absolute spud.His effort when Brennan took the mark near the goals in the last was absolutely shite and Ratten did the right thing and took him off. He may have had a lot of injuries and time off but from what I saw when he was at Freo I couldnt understand what all for fuss was about.
He doesnt put his head over the ball.Useless and Jacobs can come in for him which is what the MC should do.
And Gartlett as well for Ando or dangles

Con's

We should have won, no honorable losses at Carlton, thats for the tigers and dees supportters. We won everywhere but on the scoreboard... those nights happen.
Gibbs - I love the bloke, but I just reckon he is lazy. I would love to compare his GPS running numbers with a Murphy, or even the big Kruze.
Anderson - I'm sorry mate, your probably a great bloke, but you make too many mistakes at the moment. Good heart in the second half.
Judd not being there... feel he would have been the difference, released a mid to go back or forward. I reckon he owes us supporters and his teammates for that moment of stupidity.
We still lack someone who can play on a gun forward, forgetting Jamo, who for some reason never gets a crack at Browney. Maybe Hendo is our backmen.. irish and waite forward, maybe Thornton. As for Thornton, hold your head high mate, you copped a hiding tonight, but geez louise can the bloke you played on play... seriously he would have to be my number one non carlton player.. kudos..

Pro's
Kruze - seriously, he is a reason to watch the reply even though we lost. Sit back and watch his greatness. Will be the best of all our high draft picks if he isnt already.
Irish - I know he scares us all at times, but i reckon you'd just love to play with the bloke next to ya. I reckon he thinks of game plan instructions when he takes a mark, play on play on play on... but geez he has played well the last two weeks.
Murphy - And apparently he aint fully fit?
Scotland - Best game i have seen from him in a very long time.. seem to play at stoppages/contests alot more... and it worked..

You know the good thing about a loss in round 2, there is round 3, and 4 and so on to look forward too!!

Pros:

- Kruzer.... i cant say enough about this bloke, he is fast becoming a superstar!! His efforts on the ground are superb, always does the right thing

- Scotland... when we needed a lift he was superb.... clearance after clearance

- Murphy.... after an interupted pre season, he hasnt missed a beat, becoming a super player

- Jamo... the pressure was on to stop Fev and he held his own, very very important to our structure

- At least Ratts mixed it up after half time.

- If not for Johnno Browns monster game and our early inaccuracy, we would have won

- If they are a premiership threat then we are right in the mix

Cons

- Walker.... doesnt do enough, im really confused as to how he helps the team

- Ohailpin brain fades ( although we cant complain he kicked 4 ) geez he puts himself in trouble sometimes by playing on

- Anderson.... done some good things.... and was better after halftime, but 1st half he made some shocking errors

- Warnock.... any threat he may take a mark when we kick to him one on one???

- Turnovers.... it just seems to me that nearly all their goals came off shocking turnovers at half forward for us and their players were loose... gee that hurts

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I agree with BV on Hendo. He is still so raw and needs to develop physically and with his fitness but those who still rue losing Kennedy, I think we got an upgade with Hendo

Just need to find another long tem KP forward to compliment Lachie

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Pros
- 7 goals from our Tall Forwards was exceptional
- Ruck problem solved. Kruezer Incredible) 44% of our hit outs went to advantage. Warnock 55% in 40 minutes on ground
- If my aunty were my uncle. Bower plays and we win. He is our best defender. Worst week for him to miss. Judd plays and
Rich is covered in the last quarter
- Houlihan whatever he hasn't got, he and Gibbs are the only players in our side who have effective disposal
- Russel has taken too long to mature. THAT WAS HIS BEST GAME FOR THE CLUB. 83% of time he hit a target.
- Proactive Coaching - to use simpson as the hit up man after half time. (Let's excuse Ratten for leaving Thornton on Brown. I really do not believe he had options Waite isn't fit enough).
- Brisbane have a plethora of down hill skiers covered by an all time great of the game in Jonathan Brown.
Cons

- The backline is very brittle. I know Thornton is not a genuine KPP and he played on an alltime great but there is technical deficìencies in spoiling
-Brisbane scored 12.8.(80) from Turnovers. We scored 40 points from turnovers. Our kicking efficiency is way below AFL standard. What's worse we have recruited a bunch of kids who can not kick (andersen, Robinson, Yarran (40%). Carazzo is a turnover merchant. I could go on and on. We will always struggle to be a elite until the rule is implimented that if you can not kick you don't play for Carlton
- Betts, played one of his worst games at the wrong time
- Massive questions over Yarran. He may play 150 games in a Houlihanesque manner but that would suggest he should have been drafted at pick 30. -

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Brown would have pansted anyone last night but Ratten should have made a move . Thornton up forward. Waite or Carlos onto him. To keep Thornton on Brown was stupid.
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I dont get that.

Pros
Jamo did very well on Fevola
Anderson’s courage
Houlihan
McLean
Scotland
Murphy
Gibbs
Potential for improvement in O’Hailpin, Anderson, Betts, Yarran, Hnedresron, Walker, Russell, Gibbs, Waite, Warnoc.
Thornton did well against a monster opponent receiving a lot of goodball.
Walker especially his disposal early on
Kreuzer’s top performance, this guy's starting to show some traits of John Nicholls.
Betts and Yarran had a taste of the attention they will get from opposition coaches and will learn from it.


Cons
Thornton’s body language after losing a contest.
Betts' kicking and de-composed approach. Something was not right with Betts last night.
Expectations heaped on Warnoc. He’s been out of the game a long time and will take a while to find his feet.

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I dont get that.[/quote]


Put a different opponent on him like Carlos who is bigger and has had some success might have thrown him a bit. Changed his mindset. Carlos was on him to give Thornton time on the bench. Then Thornton went back to defending him/ Why not give tbird a chance to kick a few himself. He did come to us as a forward.
Our coaching staff dont take enough risks.

And one other thing.
Why was Armfield the replacement for Bower.
Why not play White if he was allowed. Can we nominate 2 rookies
We needed strong bodies down back with Fevola and Brown.

DUMBDUMBDUMB

Put a different opponent on him like Carlos who is bigger and has had some success might have thrown him a bit. Changed his mindset. Carlos was on him to give Thornton time on the bench. Then Thornton went back to defending him/ Why not give tbird a chance to kick a few himself. He did come to us as a forward.
Our coaching staff dont take enough risks.[/quote]

And if they did take risk and it did not pay off you would come on TC and bag them. Ratts is in a no win situation either way.

Bower was a big loss for us we could not cover. With the exception of Judd and Waite, Bower in my opinion is our third most important player.
His loss was the difference between losing and winning. With Bower down back, I like the idea of Thornton playing up forward to add some experience to our forward line.

Cons

The buffoon in the number 5 for Brisbane wasn't kickless, reported or injured.


And yes, I should let it go!

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quote="keogh

Put a different opponent on him like Carlos who is bigger and has had some success might have thrown him a bit. Changed his mindset. Carlos was on him to give Thornton time on the bench. Then Thornton went back to defending him/ Why not give tbird a chance to kick a few himself. He did come to us as a forward.
Our coaching staff dont take enough risks.[/quote]


So you are saying that Brown would have beat anyone. So move our forward target who was kicking goals onto Brown (to be beaten as Brown would have beaten anyone) so Thornton who has payed 2 1/4 forward in his AFL career can have a crack at kicking a few.

I would not agree with such a move.

And if they did take risk and it did not pay off you would come on TC and bag them. Ratts is in a no win situation either way.

Bower was a big loss for us we could not cover. With the exception of Judd and Waite, Bower in my opinion is our third most important player.
His loss was the difference between losing and winning. With Bower down back, I like the idea of Thornton playing up forward to add some experience to our forward line.[/quote]



Thornton, Anderson, Armfield, Walker, Russell,Jamo
That was our back 6 predominately
Except for Anderson , Thornton got no support.
Pretty obvious you need someone dropping back into the hole to invade Brown's space.

Great move by Ratten to play through Simmo up forward
Good coaching.
But for every good decision the coaching staff makes they make up for it with some shockers.
White's form has been excellent but hey not fair on the lad to play him first up in such a big game so we will play a more experienced player like Armfield.


As I said Against the two best power forwards in the comp DUMBDUMBDUMB

Not Tbirds fault

Waite wasted playing btw the arcs on Brennan.

Betts n Yarran did nothing.

Anderson and Thornton 2 errors/turnovers each in 1st half killed us. That is 2 weeks straight now Anderson has coughed up the ball and it's resulted in a goal

Warnock poor game IMO

The good thing is we won the midfield without CJ.

But as promising as Setanta and Hendo are, I really think Waite needs to play fwd. Poor decision by Ratten to not use Waite as a weapon.

And we still don't have a gorilla to match up on the Brown's of the comp

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Pros:

- Mr Anderson's second half
- Our midfield clearances
- Jamo flogging Fev in any pressured contest. (Fev only scored goals due to deplorable turnovers from T-Bird and Anderson)
- JR was solid and clean
- McLean is warming up. I love his attack on the ball.
- Murphy and Simmo inspiring in the third quarter
- Our forward line pressure was good when we had the chance.
- Harry's composure to kick his third. The boy will be a very good player in a few years.
- Scotland is great to watch when busting through packs.

Cons:

- Disposal
- Set shots
- T-bird was horrible, his worst game in a very long time.
- Mr Anderson's first half

Of course it is also disappointing we lost in a similar fashion to the final last year with Lions coming back in last quarter.

Seems Ratts and the players didn't learn a thing from last year's final

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What's wrong with being Houlihanesque? Houla is one of our most skillful and better players. In fact Houla is considered one of the most skillful players in the AFL.

Yarran we all know is a magnificent kick of the ball; both sides.

No question marks on Yarran IMO. He's 19yo. Plenty of upside.

He was picked at No 6 for good reason.
Do you honestly think he would be available at pick 30? How do you figure that?

Just close your eyes, consider the fact Yarran is a 10 gamer at 19yo today...now turn the clock forward a couple of years...what do you see? I see strength, poise, stamina and GOALS aplenty with some classy cameos in the guts....probably more Burgoynesque than Houlaesque though.

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Pros

got ourselves back in the game after the first half of horrible football
Maclean
Kruezer
Murphy
won the clearances
won the contested ball


Cons

got suckered in to breaking from our game plan in the last and took them on head on not once did we try and seize control of the football and slow it down - it was Pagan times all over again

opened up through the middle in the last

the 4 indeginous boys really struggled - when they are good they are very good but when they are bad they are horrid

Ratts needs to pick the best players there are players that are running around in red that should be playing but because they are peg holed for a certainj ob they are not getting picked

Ratts two KPP backs Two Kpp forwards two rucks the rest are midfielders - pick the best players each week

lack the ability to take a team on and bury them


need more license to have a ping at the goals they are to tentative around goals we are lacking a goal hog and are current forwards dont fill you with confidence around goals


Gibbs sign your contract its affecting your game


Brown kicked 5 from the 50 and beyond -ass hole

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They will create an Emergency to change the Laws

I have no doubt you think he made some valuable points. But what made me laugh is how lame his points are. That's probably why you rated them.

Look at it in its most simplest form.

Every team knows what to expect from every other team so therefore every team is predictable. Why is that 8 teams lose every week if everyone can predict what they will be up against?

I haven't seen the game but from what I have read it appears that we couldn't kick a goal to save ourselves and a beast of a footballer by the name of Brown tore us a new one. We weren't the 1st and we won't be the last to have that happen. So suggesting there was a total lack of preparation is actually not the case.

We had the same inside 50's and we had 1 more scoring shot. We weren't smashed around the ground.

Our forwards messed up. Next thing we will hear is it's Ratts fault Betts and Yarran can't kick straight.

Regaqrds Cazzesman

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