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PostPosted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 12:23 am 
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If anyone calls it an honourable loss....blah,blah,blah...I'LL SPEW UP! :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:




how about if you just spew up because you haven't got the stomach for the long haul?


IT WASN'T THAT BAD!!!!

sure it could have been better, but SUCK IT UP AND MOVE ON!


My post was directed at the supporters who are happy with honourable defeats.
It's a bit like junior footy....it's not about winning...well why do we have score boards?
My stomach's fine...watch out for those furballs :razz:



i @#$%&! hate loosing as much as the next bloke, but som people understand what a premiship window is, what list development is, what growth is, and that you can't win every game of footy you play no matter who you are.

i'm so glad there is more to my life that the score board.

if you cant see what we are building towards then you are blind.

for me the biggest positive for me tonight was seeing ratts can actually coach and have some mooves that floored that smug pick voss.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 12:25 am 
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The thing with Anderson is that he has been around a while now, but he hasn't lit the world on fire. People are getting impatient. I think this season is his make or break. I'm willing to give him a fair go, because a dud doesn't captain NT at Under 18s level. I think he's got it in him, it may be just a matter of patience like it was with JR.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 12:31 am 
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Captain Dan wrote:
The thing with Anderson is that he has been around a while now, but he hasn't lit the world on fire. People are getting impatient. I think this season is his make or break. I'm willing to give him a fair go, because a dud doesn't captain NT at Under 18s level. I think he's got it in him, it may be just a matter of patience like it was with JR.


Agree with your captaincy statement - dont think its a lack of patience with anderson though, more that many think there are better options on our list atm that should be ahead of him (or will rapidly overtake him and hence warrant his spot in the team)


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 12:32 am 
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When Bris went forward with purpose they always loked like they would score. 3rd qtr aside, when we went forward it looked like a train wreck.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 1:20 am 
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Went to the game tonight and really thought that we may run over the top of them in the last.

The first half by the Blues was deplorable from a disposal perspective. Our general field kicking and decision making was extremely poor and resulted in no less than 6 goals to Brisbane in the first half alone.

The atmosphere was terrific at the game and the many Carlton supporters (including Geoff Southby and Kouta who were sitting just in front of us) became very boisterous in that pulsating 3rd quarter. The reality is you cannot continue to butcher the ball to that level and expect to win games.

Stand outs for me were: Scotland, Murphy, Kreuzer, Setanta, (Simpson & McClean in the second half). Not many sides manage to lose games when they dominate the clearances and other key stats to the extent that we did.

Would like to see more from Walker & Warnock.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 2:16 am 
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2ndeffort wrote:
When Bris went forward with purpose they always loked like they would score.


I agree with this but largely Brisbane hardly got a sniff of it unless we fumbled it or turned it over. When you turn it over like that your players can be caught out running forward, leaving plenty of opposition players alone in space.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 4:02 am 
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Someone will pay for this. I'm more than confident that someone will be Essendon*. :smoking:

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 5:58 am 
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am i the only one who thinks anderson has shown plenty in the last 2 weeks?


No you're not :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 6:05 am 
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TruBlueBrad wrote:
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am i the only one who thinks anderson has shown plenty in the last 2 weeks?


No you're not :thumbsup:


I only saw the second half and thought anderson played his role very well. made the right decisions most of the time, too. we should persist. I like that the match comm is backing him.

i also thought yarran's defensive pressure was fantastic - if he can continue to build on his fitness then lookout.

eddie having a very off night with shots at goal (among others) was unfortunate. interesting stat from the commentary team was that eddie has a grand total of 1 goal kicked in his career at the gabba. not sure how many games he has played there, but would think it must be quite a few.

will forgive and forget as long as he fires up against the dons next week!

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 6:25 am 
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206 is pitifully weak in marking contests. we kicked to him 4 or 5 times in contested situations the result was the same every time.. a lions takeaway... hands of jelly. how long can we persist with the irishman at FF?


Agree, every time we went to 206 it resulted in the Lions players whisking the ball away and having a shot at goal. It stifled our momentum in the third term and kept Brissie in it.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 6:27 am 
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I hate losing.. I repeat I hate losing.

Losing in this manner is painful.

Disposal efficiency was woeful to say the least

Despite the inaccurancy of the forward line - you can see that Rattans plan has loads of potential but the players must respond.

Eddie had a dirty dirty night.

Majority of players were sub 70% in disposal efficiency.

Walker was at 90% and I wonder why he wasnt given much more ground time he looked good out there with the ball in his hands.

Anderson third year player with contract expiring.. needs more game time and that much is obvious.

Disappointing.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 7:05 am 
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Lost the battle, but I can see us winning the war. Although a bit of a dirty night, I think the funadmentals are there to take us a fair way in the coming years.

206 has played two games of AFL in nearly two years, and people wonder why his marking if off? Jeez...

Brown monstered us, which wasn't unexpected at all. What a player. Save for errant kicking, our forward line funtioned ok once again. Fev offers them little more than Bradshaw did (but he'll probably play for a couple more years than Bradshaw), so they've effectively lost Henderson and 11 for maybe an extra season or two from their second-string power forward. We won't be seeing Fev winning coleman medals ever again in that side.

If we can get over Essendon*, we'll be 2 and 1 with Judd and hopefully Bower coming back in. And that's a solid start to the season.

Signs tonight... we haven't got it together yet, but I think the pieces are there. Setanta will be a workhorse for 5 years: the Irish Earl Spalding. Love him.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 7:07 am 
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Like others i am disappointed at the loss.
No doubt one man was the difference, Jonathon Brown.
He and Fev kicked 10 goals between, as Fev pointed out at the end of the game, but Satanta and Henderson kicked 7 goals between them-3 goals difference.
Inaccurate kicking cost us the game, you cant be 3 goals 10 at half time and expect to win.
I thought Scotland was our best by a mile, Murphy was fantastic after half time.
Dissapointing that last week Betts and Yarran kicked 6 goals between them and this week it was 6 behinds, if not more.
Should never have been run over by a side with a 5 day break.
Judd and Bower would have been a huge difference.
This is one that got away.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 8:20 am 
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Last night's loss did nothing to dispel my view that we are now in a period in which there will be a string of frustrating losses.

But this will not be a long time of football suffering in the overall scheme of things.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 8:39 am 
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yeahBlueman
or you could just look at the fixture.....
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ps.For what it's worth..i thought Thornton played his heart and guts out last nite..in a role he probably wouldn't have had...if not for Bower.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 8:51 am 
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bluegirl72 wrote:
yeahBlueman
or you could just look at the fixture.....
:thumbsup:

ps.For what it's worth..i thought Thornton played his heart and guts out last nite..in a role he probably wouldn't have had...if not for Bower.


Great call Thornton never dropped his nor did he berate his mates. He didn't give away silly frees in desperation though ironically when he did finally give away a free it wasn't paid. He had no support from his fellow defenders last night, the amount of times the ball hit the deck from a T-bird/Brown contest and there was no Carlton man there was disgraceful. You simply cannot give a player like Brown that much space with only his direct opponent around the contest.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 9:04 am 
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IMO we were never going to win and I tipped Brisbane.
Having said that, I was so disappointed with the loss. Had we kicked straight, it would have been over by three quarter time. Bris have come back against us in the 4th qtr the last four times. The first two, we had big leads and won by small margins. The last twice, we have had small leads and lost.
Brown is a monster and averages 5 against us in recent years.
The boys showed last night they can play without Fev and Judd. But for the kicking and stupid backline errors and turnovers we should have won.
We won everywhere except at CHB and on the scoreboard. CHB we can forgive. Brown will monster plenty more opponents this year. The kicking has to improve.
Ratts must have done some good work at half-time but whatever he did to Simmo was undone by Voss at 3/4 time.
I thought we would lose to Essendon* next week but after last night, I think we will get up. They don't have a Brown to drag them over the line. They don't even have a Fev.
I'll be there to watch it.
Unfortunately, Ticketek only has seats behind the goals and last time I sat there I was in the Richmond cheersquad with Son of a preacher man and we lost. I can't understand why there aren't better seats available online or through their agencies. My friends aren't members or even supporters so we can't sit where the Carlton members would be seated. It's a crock.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 9:37 am 
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Warnocks palming ability was great last night. He contested 20 ruck contests 11 (55%) of them went to our midfielders. The marking will improve. HE was only on the ground for 40 minutes Our midfield dominance was generated by Kreuzer and Warnocks ability to palm to our advantage. We hit our players 44% of the time compared to Brisbanes 9%----Warnock is a genuine ruckman. You have to say in the last 2 weeks he has been a revelation and a bargain at pick 20 plus


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 9:38 am 
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Bad loss and really disappointed. Had our chances and didn't take them. This should have been a win.
Game was there to be won but Brisbane wanted it more in the end.
Henderson is showing a bit and given time and confidence will be a good forward.
O'hAilpin looks like his afraid to fail and still makes too many errors. Waite was disappointing. These 2 could have made the difference, alas Brown did. Betts and Yarran must take the opportunities presented! Simpson showed them the way in the 3rd when forward.
Brisbane's midfield had more run and controlled the corrider. We won the stoppages but didn't hurt them enough due to good pressure from Brisbane midfield. WHO WAS ON T.JOHNSTON and WHY DOES HE KILL US. :banghead: We didn't inflict enough pressure on them and some tackling efforts are not worth the motions. They had time to deliver and delivered well!
As many others said, even when we had time, we butchered it ..... again ... looking at you Scotto.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 9:49 am 
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Bad loss and really disappointed. Had our chances and didn't take them. This should have been a win.
Game was there to be won but Brisbane wanted it more in the end.
Henderson is showing a bit and given time and confidence will be a good forward.
O'hAilpin looks like his afraid to fail and still makes too many errors. Waite was disappointing. These 2 could have made the difference, alas Brown did. Betts and Yarran must take the opportunities presented! Simpson showed them the way in the 3rd when forward.
Brisbane's midfield had more run and controlled the corrider. We won the stoppages but didn't hurt them enough due to good pressure from Brisbane midfield. WHO WAS ON T.JOHNSTON and WHY DOES HE KILL US. :banghead: We didn't inflict enough pressure on them and some tackling efforts are not worth the motions. They had time to deliver and delivered well!
As many others said, even when we had time, we butchered it ..... again ... looking at you Scotto.

Jeez, SB. You're a hard marker. Setanta won't get 4 every week and Waite played his second game back after a reco.
IMO Setanta played well and Waite won't be Waite for a while yet.
The difference wasn't those two, it was Betts (0.4) Yarran (0.2), Carazzo (0.1) and co, who missed easy shots at goal. It was also silly turnovers at half back and shite kicking out after a behind. Classic example, last quarter, muffs kickout, results in a point. muffs next kickout, results in a goal.

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