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PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 7:16 am 
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Never saw Fev as undisciplined and selfish (acknowledge I may be alone here).


You are in a very lonely place on that one.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 8:21 am 
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Setanta for Pres wrote:
Never saw Fev as undisciplined and selfish (acknowledge I may be alone here).


Welcome to Talking Carlton, Stevie Wonder. :wink:

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 8:56 am 
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Donstuie wrote:

Agree for the most part, and this is the reason why getting Judd was imperative. In pretty quick time all our champs were retiring, then right when it was time to bring forth the new breed, the salary cap hammer comes down (not to mention Hamill), forcing us to fill the gaps with also-rans from other clubs to get some semblance of a team on the park. Smorgon and Malouf are much-maligned here, but I cannot imagine how hard it must've been to juggle our off-field financial dramas with trying to actually put a football team together. No way can you breed a decent culture there, and no doubt Fev (as our only shining light) felt that from that point on, he was the man. Had Fev been part of a stronger club things may have been different. Angwin had to be dealt with and there was nothing that could be done, but as for Norman (and to a lesser extent Houlihan, Walker and Betts) we didn't have the infrastructure nor the courage to nip those problems in the butt because these guys were considered too important to risk disenchanting. A stronger club financially would've made things a lot easier in the culture stakes.

As for player development, it's no surprise that rookies here took longer to develop than those at clubs like Collingwood, Sydney or Adelaide, where players come in and seem ready-made for the grade. These clubs were all strong financially while we still had coaches sitting in dilapidated offices on different sides of the oval, and invested in player development. This is an area we're only now paying any attention to, but we still have some catching up to do (Yarran is a good example).

Yes, Fev should've been bitch-slapped far earlier and our leadership for most of his tenure here was sub-par to say the least (an always injured and at-times seemingly disinterested Kouta, and then Whitnall as captain FFS). Having said that, you can't say Fev didnt contribute to our woes in a MASSIVE way. Yes, we had leadership problems, but Fev saw himself as a leader too and I wouldn't be surprised if missing out on (vice) captaincy pissed him off in a big way. As the big-dick on campus for so long it was hard for most people and events at the the club NOT to revolve around him, which is as big an indictment on the club as it is Fev himself. But I see it as a combination of negligence in the past, as well as simply not having the resources to keep it all together.


Most people would put Sydney as a team with very strong leadership and discipline and yet the end result with Barry Hall (who in my opinion has less baggage than Fev) still finished with the same result as us - moved on.

Fev is a childish dick who will never change irrespective of his surroundings and like many others like him will live a very isolated life once he burns all those around him.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 9:21 am 
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"Where we WILL fall this year...."
:donk: :banghead: :screwy:

Not might but WILL. Just so typical of this forum atm. Leadership is a good issue to discuss - but the attitude...... :hitcomputer:

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 11:13 am 
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I think, 8th or 9th. We will progress in some areas but the trading of our last Full Forward will set us back a bit.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 12:00 pm 
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what's a year .... not much really, don't worry be happy

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 2:42 pm 
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We finished in the 8 by 4 games and close to 20%!
I suspect some of the media "experts" are forgetting that fact. Yes we may drop back a bit but not enough to drop to 10th or worse. As much as I dont have great faith in Ratts as a match day coach, I'm still confident we'll play finals footy.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 2:43 pm 
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Thanks BV - No Stevie here though, I just think Fev got frustrated at times from very ordinary delivery from downfield. Disappointed cos team started to turn it around, looking good, now back to the drawing board. Don't pay attention to the soap opera aspect of Fev's life just loved watching him play footy. Anyway looking for the next big thing now (thinking Rohan Kerr) Bring it on!!!


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 3:22 pm 
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We will fall IN the eight.
Around 7th/8th.
Us and North.
Who won't be there?
Hawks and Bombers.
that's bluegirl with a 72..not blueman.
so....youknow it makes nosense. :thumbsup:

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