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 Post subject: Re: Ratten Q&A
PostPosted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 1:54 pm 
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Molly wrote:
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It's about when we have possession and when we don't have possession.

When it's suggested we get 'opened up' when we turn possession over perhaps our players haven't been drilled or they haven't been willing to work and run to position in case of a turnover.

When we have the ball players upfield need to work to create space and options and those players who aren't brought into the immediate play need to work to positions and cover opposition players that might be used to rebound if we turn it over.


Rexy - Ratts is basically saying that he is working on all that you mention above. Zoning structures and balance between attack and defence are precisely what he is alluding to.


If Ratts is working on what I mentioned above, then we won't see players standing around upfield forcing our defenders to chip chip sideways and backwards while the opposition goes about moving into zone positions.
Workrate with and without the ball applying pressure to the opposition. :smile:


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Rexy wrote:
Molly wrote:
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It's about when we have possession and when we don't have possession.

When it's suggested we get 'opened up' when we turn possession over perhaps our players haven't been drilled or they haven't been willing to work and run to position in case of a turnover.

When we have the ball players upfield need to work to create space and options and those players who aren't brought into the immediate play need to work to positions and cover opposition players that might be used to rebound if we turn it over.


Rexy - Ratts is basically saying that he is working on all that you mention above. Zoning structures and balance between attack and defence are precisely what he is alluding to.


If Ratts is working on what I mentioned above, then we won't see players standing around upfield forcing our defenders to chip chip sideways and backwards while the opposition goes about moving into zone positions.
Workrate with and without the ball applying pressure to the opposition. :smile:


I don't agree there Rexy. The Crows are some of the best in the business at this type of football. They are also an extremely fit list. But there are times in games where they actually do have to chip sideways and backwards in the backline because they are unable to keep up the type of workrate that allows them to move forwards at all times. What they are good at in the defensive half is that when they do go backwards and sideways, they rarely lose control. What you'll see as our team gets better drilled and fitter is that there should be less backwards and sideways, but it will undoubtedly be a feature at some level. Just as it is a feature in many other teams. I agree with you that the less we have to do it the better - but it is going to depend on the capacity of our players to continually present and work up the field. But sideways and backwards is unfortunately a necessity of modern football - I don't like it and you don't like it, but to throw it out as a strategy altogether will require the rules committee to somehow adjust the rules of the game. The positive from our perspective is that Justin Cordy is now at the completion of his three year plan on the fitness of our players. I'd encourage you to look up some of BondiBlue's posts from prior to Christmas on this because he has some inside info. The fitness levels of the players will to a large extent determine the amount of chipping we are forced to undertake.


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 Post subject: Re: Ratten Q&A
PostPosted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 2:19 pm 
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Molly wrote:
The fitness levels of the players will to a large extent determine the amount of chipping we are forced to undertake.


I agree Molly. Most of our reliant players have been in the system long enough to have built up a fitness level comparable to any other team including Adelaide. There are no excuses for unnecessary static play this year IMO.


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 Post subject: Re: Ratten Q&A
PostPosted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 2:22 pm 
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Rexy wrote:
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The fitness levels of the players will to a large extent determine the amount of chipping we are forced to undertake.


I agree Molly. Most of our reliant players have been in the system long enough to have built up a fitness level comparable to any other team including Adelaide. There are no excuses for unnecessary static play this year IMO.


Even though its been pointed out that even the best exponents of the modern gameplan such as Adelaide still have static play? And that it can at times in fact be quite necessary?


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 Post subject: Re: Ratten Q&A
PostPosted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 2:23 pm 
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Just rewatch last years grand final and you will see the seasons best two teams do plenty of chip chip. Its the way the game is going.

If you are not happy with the way we looked at times in the preseason then you are right there with Ratts who states in the Q & A that he wasnt happy with the way we did curtain things and wants the players to learn when to take calculated risks.


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 Post subject: Re: Ratten Q&A
PostPosted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 2:26 pm 
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Nick wrote:
Good interview but couple of concerning comments.

Even from Riley during the pre-season where we'll be going wide and slowing up play so we don't get rebounded against too easily to now Ratts saying we'll be playing start-stop football; way too defensive for mine. You have to be at a St Kilda or Sydney level defensive side to be successful at that.

And he thought we were too attacking last year :screwy:

I hope he knows what he's doing.


Why the screwy Nick?

We ranked third offensively, 108 points behind the best attack, but we only ranked tenth defensively, conceding 644 more points than the Saints. So which area needs the most improvement? :wink:

Ratten wants our players to make better decisions as to what to do in certain game situations as the Swan points out. I don't see a problem with that.

I think those who thought we weren't attacking enough last season will actually have something legit to complain about this time around :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Ratten Q&A
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Chip chip go backwards is the way the game is going?? I don't think so.

Yes it's done by all teams, some a lot more than others. :wink:

We don't HAVE TO do it if we don't want to. Can't we be innovative?


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 Post subject: Re: Ratten Q&A
PostPosted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 2:33 pm 
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Molly wrote:
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Don't see keeping the leadership group a secret as necessary. Silly. Let your fans know who they need to look for when the going gets tough.



Not a shot at you Rexy (this is a general spray)... but the only people it probably bothers about not knowing are some smart butt fans on the internet who get their jollies out of second guessing everything the club does. I'm guessing the man in the outer looks at Judd as the captain and Simmo as the (probable) vice captain and doesn't give two hoots about who else running around out there is in the leadership group.


I'm not so sure Molly. I don't see the point of not revealing who we have in the leadership group, unless it is because we have one or two in there that we think will open us up to criticism.


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Rexy wrote:
Chip chip go backwards is the way the game is going?? I don't think so.

Yes it's done by all teams, some a lot more than others. :wink:

We don't HAVE TO do it if we don't want to. Can't we be innovative?


We could just ask the other team to kindly not do a good defensive job and just let us through unhindered :wink:

The problem isn't so much the chip, chip go backwards (although I do think we need to play on more at times moving forward) it is the lack of patience at times.

The whole point of it is to keep possession, especially if the other team has a runon, but the tactic is rendered useless, if we then after retaining possession, we then bomb it long anyway and get picked off, which we do more than we should. That just defeats the purpose. The kids need to htfu and ignore the groans of the crowds :lol:

Comes back to Ratten alluding to game situational awareness.


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 Post subject: Re: Ratten Q&A
PostPosted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 6:30 pm 
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club29 wrote:
Just rewatch last years grand final and you will see the seasons best two teams do plenty of chip chip. Its the way the game is going.

If you are not happy with the way we looked at times in the preseason then you are right there with Ratts who states in the Q & A that he wasnt happy with the way we did curtain things and wants the players to learn when to take calculated risks.


:beer:

And it will change.


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 Post subject: Re: Ratten Q&A
PostPosted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 7:51 pm 
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Ratts is managing expectations. His opinion of the pre-season seems similar to many on here, and internally they know it will take time for the side to gel.

Saying that we have lost experience, and going backwards in that regard is a subtle admission that he expects us to go backwards a little bit.


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 Post subject: Re: Ratten Q&A
PostPosted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 12:15 pm 
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Adam Chatfield wrote:
Ratts is managing expectations. His opinion of the pre-season seems similar to many on here, and internally they know it will take time for the side to gel.

Saying that we have lost experience, and going backwards in that regard is a subtle admission that he expects us to go backwards a little bit.

I would have read that as being counteractive to our existing progression. Are the young ones suddenly not developing because the old stagers have left?

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